Equipment missuse

[JakeEMTP]

This!

Unrelated to quote: In my system the truck(quint,ladder,whatever you want to call it) is very rarely first up for a medical aid. Usually the engine amd patrol take the response. Never been a problem around here with the truck missing a call

There are ALS Ladders but in a fire they are really nice to have rolling as quickly as possible.

While it is possible to get a ladder down and truck moving somewhat quickly, what happens if someone is hurt on some personal errand? Do you really want the taxpayers to be responsible for paying for something that was a personal use fo the truck for the next 40 years?

 

[Joe]

Answer this question as truthfully as possible... have you ever performed a personal errand while on duty in a company vehicle? What do you do in between runs? Do you answer personal calls during down time? How long have you been in ems on the streets?

 

[Handsome Robb]

Rabble rabble rabble.

I asks this again. How is it any different than them putting the stick away real quickly to respond if they are at a PR event?

There's a reason they can put the ladder away quickly and safely, it's because they practice. I know a lot of people don't like fire but when it comes down to it watching a good department work is like watching a well oiled machine. They are damn good at their job.

 

[Tigger]

This is what I have concluded about some people in this thread.

Quoted for truth. Making mountains of molehills. I've got zero issue with this. They flew the stick up to a window, a realistic and important training scenario. Whatever happens after that, I could care less. Plus the new fiance is a dime!:wub: I happen to like cops...

 

[johnrsemt]

The dept I used to work for would go out an put the ladders up against buildings that they respond to in their area. Better than driving out of the area to go down to the training tower. Training tower had no power lines or carports or parked cars.

We went down to an office complex and they drafted out of the lakes, threw water everywhere, (the ducks loved it, and so did the office workers).

I would rather have fire crews "waste" time learning how to put up the ladder at an apartment complex that has carports and parked cars that coming to a fire and taking 20 minutes to the get truck positioned right to put the tower up to the 3rd or 4th floor to get somone out of the window with the lower apartments on fire.

When people would ask what we were doing we told them; no one got upset and the city/county didn't think it was a waste of manpower or money

 

[johnrsemt]

and how is it a waste of money: the crews get paid to sit on station or to train at the training grounds or train on real buildings.
Fuel is the same to train on real buildings in your area, or drive farther to train at the tower

 

[medic417]

http://www.firerescue1.com/apparatu...le-blamed-for-ladder-accident-that-injured-5/

Perhaps if they hadn't been using it like a toy and only used it for doing its intended job it wouldn't have broke and people wouldn't have been injured. Things fatigue with use and all these "pr" events including asking someone to marry you helps lead to equipment failure.

 

[DPM]

http://www.firerescue1.com/apparatu...le-blamed-for-ladder-accident-that-injured-5/

Perhaps if they hadn't been using it like a toy and only used it for doing its intended job it wouldn't have broke and people wouldn't have been injured. Things fatigue with use and all these "pr" events including asking someone to marry you helps lead to equipment failure.

Your article even says that it was a freak accident, happening only a handful of times in 35 years... So what's the point? If the cable was going to fail then it was going to fail. Whether it happens getting a cat out of a tree or at an even is irrelevant.

 

[medic417]

Your article even says that it was a freak accident, happening only a handful of times in 35 years... So what's the point? If the cable was going to fail then it was going to fail. Whether it happens getting a cat out of a tree or at an even is irrelevant.

So whats the point of you becoming a Paramedic. By your logic a patients gonna die no mater what you do as it's just gonna just because it's fate, destiny. Yes you logic is flawed. Repeated use and misuse may have led to the fatigue. Just like you may have the ability as a Paramedic to stop a person from dieing.

 

[DPM]

So whats the point of you becoming a Paramedic. By your logic a patients gonna die no mater what you do as it's just gonna just because it's fate, destiny. Yes you logic is flawed. Repeated use and misuse may have led to the fatigue. Just like you may have the ability as a Paramedic to stop a person from dieing.

I went into healthcare because people WILL get sick. The cables on tower trucks don't routinely snap... Your argument doesn't make sense.

 

[VFlutter]

So whats the point of you becoming a Paramedic. By your logic a patients gonna die no mater what you do as it's just gonna just because it's fate, destiny. Yes you logic is flawed. Repeated use and misuse may have led to the fatigue. Just like you may have the ability as a Paramedic to stop a person from dieing.

Who kicked your dog this morning?

 

[medic417]

I went into healthcare because people WILL get sick. The cables on tower trucks don't routinely snap... Your argument doesn't make sense.

I used your arguement thus you are saying your comment does not make sense.

 

[Handsome Robb]

Who kicked your dog this morning?

Win.

Medic417 you're entitled to you're opinion. It's pretty obvious not many agree with it. Ya'll can yell until you are blue in the face but it doesn't matter because it already happened, they can't take it back and I have heard anything about repercussions coming from it so I'd say the city officials you say will be so angry really aren't that angry...

 

[DPM]

I used your arguement thus you are saying your comment does not make sense.

No, you created a straw man and it doesn't make sense. You cannot use a single instance of equipment failure to show that using the ladder truck to propose was inappropriate. Just like you can't argue that if everyone's going to die then I shouldn't be a medic.

Can we keep this on thread? You're turning this into a willy waving contest.

 

[Martyn]

training exercise. Killed two birds with one stone, they still have to go through the steps to through the tower ladder.

Get over it. You would all hate me then because i waste money every time i have a third rider by using expendable supplies during our down time for education.

You want to save money? How about cut back on the thousands of miles fire departments put on their trucks driving to medical calls where they aren't needed instead of complaining about a single isolated event?

+1.

 

[Tigger]

http://www.firerescue1.com/apparatu...le-blamed-for-ladder-accident-that-injured-5/

Perhaps if they hadn't been using it like a toy and only used it for doing its intended job it wouldn't have broke and people wouldn't have been injured. Things fatigue with use and all these "pr" events including asking someone to marry you helps lead to equipment failure.

Perhaps perhaps perhaps. This has to be one of the more absurd arguments I have seen posted on this site. Perhaps if they had used during a training operation the cable would have snapped, would you have cared then? After all it wouldn't be a "toy" then.

Things fatigue with use yes, but it is flat out dumb not to use your equipment so as to increase it's lifespan. Not to mention that fire apparatus (and most things emergency service) are designed to take abuse that most cannot dish out. Do you not unzip the first-in bag to check it's contents because you might wear out the zipper?

But alas, I know I am arguing with a wall.

 

[leoemt]

How is using a tax payer dollar for personal gain great PR? This is crap. And drparasite don't start personal attacks to try and justify your opinion. If you and others are allowed to express your opinions then so are those of us that feel just a strongly the opposite direction.

Really a ladder in the air doesn't delay response? Horse crap. Several minutes would be lost in response if that piece of equipment were needed.

I was working a crash back in my LEO days and we wanted to get some Ariel shots of the scene. We requested the neighboring jurisdiction's ladder truck.

I was 100 feet up in the air strapped in snapping photos when the truck got a job.

It took me longer to climb down than it did them to get geared up and ready. That ladder was down and stabilizer jacks stowed by the time i went from the control area to the ground.

The fact the truck was deployed is a moot point. Those truck can be put back in minutes, maybe even seconds. Hydraulics are a wonderful thing.

Here is a idea, lets not do anymore PR. Cops can stop doing community policing, firefighters will keep the engines in the bay, and EMTs won't let kids play in the ambulance.

I suppose you think parking a ambulance at a career day or safety fair is a waste of money. Oh, how about the fire trucks that participate in a parade? Lets stop that too. God forbid we show off the equipment that the taxpayers bought us.

You and the OP are missing a point. Yes, this was a marriage proposal but it is being reported by the news. How many times has the news gotten the facts straight? Not many.

I would be willing to bet that this took place at a city building and coincided with official department training. Just because he proposed doesn't mean that was the reason the truck was there to begin with.

Our fire department would routinely practice at office buildings and industrial buildings. Nothing unusual about that. Yes, that would include deploying a ladder and practicing high rise tactics.

The bottom line is this: the truck was still emergency capable, no money was spent, the crew got practice with the ladder, and it made for a good story.

For once its nice seeing a news story that doesn't involve murder, rape, violence, or whinny politicians acting like school girls.

 

[the_negro_puppy]

The female officer?

 

[medic417]

Win.

Medic417 you're entitled to you're opinion. It's pretty obvious not many agree with it. Ya'll can yell until you are blue in the face but it doesn't matter because it already happened, they can't take it back and I have heard anything about repercussions coming from it so I'd say the city officials you say will be so angry really aren't that angry...

I said tax payers would be upset if they understood how much money was wasted.

 

[nocoderob]

Meh, don't see what the big deal is. I am sure more money is wasted every year going to dozens of schools and handing out plastic fire helmets, coloring books, sticker books, etc. The only thing I can see wasted here is some fuel.