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SNAP!!! :lol: Literally, Rolling on the Floor Here. Imagine how much might be said after finishing a relatively simple class class and getting some actual time in the field under the belt? OMG...
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I actually have a bit of a history with him over firearms. I'm not like that all the time.
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I'm not sure why you have decided to berate me for being a basic student. This is not a basic vs. paramedic discussion over some medical thing. I realize that EMT-B is, for lack of a better term, basic first aid. It barely counts as medicine. But, as you can see, I'm not just stopping at basic. But that's an argument for a different thread. No point in bringing education into this one.
We were having a civil conversation, and somebody decided to get sarcastic. I responded. Though I may not have handled it in the perfect way, that's the way life, unfortunately. I apologize if I offended anyone.
As far as being hardened, I realize that I have no ambulance experience, and that I have a lot to learn. Hence, part of the reason this thread exists. As far as going to say that "a gun is a matter of life and death," that doesn't really seem like a horrible statement to make. If it is, could someone explain why? Because I just don't see it.
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Okay, fair enough. Can you give me another example so I can look at it? If there's something horribly wrong with my attitude, I'd like to fix it.
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Alright, I looked through a few of my recent posts. And yes, I apologize, I did come off a little more abrasive than I should have, mostly in the "Reflections on EMT-B Class" thread.
I'll try to work on that. Thanks for letting me know.
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First, I was not making fun of your, and my, status as a Basic student. Nor do I see anyone berating you for it.
Second, I used the term "hardened" in a very tongue-in-cheek way. I'm surprised you didn't pick up on that. I wouldn't seriously use such a term in making a point about an individual just being an entry-level student.
Third, you post all over this forum and quite often. I just don't see how a Basic student, including myself, can honestly have that much to add. In other words, read much, post little, learn often. We are Basic students, we genuinely do NOT have much to add.....because we've done nothing. There's a principle regarding rookies in anything, it's called "Stay In your Lane".
Fourth, about the gun issue. Guns are generally not a life and death issue. People mis-using them IS. I rarely find that people with lots of life experience
make such brash statements. I've carried a gun, or two, daily for years now. I've seen the good and the bad..and the truly horrific. They are like almost anything else, Treat them with respect and don't lose your cool. (Others are almost always watching when you do.) Also, always treat the person wearing/carrying the gun with respect...often they are doing a job most can't even fathom, and now they need EMS' help.
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I like you... You're smart... Pull up a chair... Want a drink? :beerchug:
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Okay, I think I see what you mean.
Let me try to respond the best I can. As far as the post count goes, yes, I do realize that I have a high post count. But I have also been around here for a while. Not saying that's a legitimate "excuse," but just take it into consideration. Also, a lot of the posts I have made have been in conversations, which makes the post count jump. But yes, I have gotten very involved on this forum, because it is a great place. Do I cross the line at times? Without a doubt, but I don't think I'm the only one. But remember, one of the best ways to learn is to enter the conversation.
As far as the "hardened" comment goes, I guess I just missed that. My bad
. And I didn't even notice your training status. As far as the guns go, when I talk about a gun being deadly, I do not mean JUST the gun itself. I'm talking about everything that goes along with it, including the person who's handling it. And I really don't have any problem with guns. The point I am trying to make (and sometimes it's hard to get the point across over the internet) is that if there is a gun on scene, and I don't feel safe, I'm doing something. Whether it be calling LE or not entering until the weapon is secured. I have absolutely no problem treating a gun owner, but only if I do not feel my life is in imminent danger. And of course I would treat the patient with respect. No need to worry about that. At the end, there, if you're talking about LEOs, go back and re-read my posts. We're definitely on the same page on that one
Thanks for the response though. I'll be mindful of what I post, but I do like to enter into conversations.
No hard feelings on my end.
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This thread has run it's course, apparently
This thread has run it's course, apparently
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That's a no brainer for us. Call LE and let them take possession of the weapon. End of story. No weapons on the ambulance. The only exception to that is if we are having a LE officer ride along.
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Again, why don't we all just sacrifice woodland creatures to the GOD of LEO's and be given their mystical powers of firearms safety?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmRN00KbCr8
Maybe you could have a LEO tell you how he's the only one in the ambulance that's qualified to deal with this.... *kaboom*.
"2-7 to dispatch, requesting AMS intercept and another ambulance, officer shot himself in the foot"
*rolls eyes*
I can't believe what a bunch of pansies exist in the EMS field. We'll handle AIDS infested blood, but an inanimate object chills us to our bones. I see no need for LEO presence simply because the guy is exercising a right.
I feel that laws should be passed preventing any entity that receives one cent of taxpayer dollars, or tax breaks, to follow state law regarding CCW's. A damned shame that the hospital my tax dollars built is allowed to deprive me of my Constitutional rights. And, of course, it's because of people like firecoins & co that this absurdity happens. Like I said, I hope none of y'all ever get a call for a coronary at a gun shop, it'll take a month to "clear the scene"
Again, why don't we all just sacrifice woodland creatures to the GOD of LEO's and be given their mystical powers of firearms safety?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmRN00KbCr8
Maybe you could have a LEO tell you how he's the only one in the ambulance that's qualified to deal with this.... *kaboom*.
"2-7 to dispatch, requesting AMS intercept and another ambulance, officer shot himself in the foot"
*rolls eyes*
I can't believe what a bunch of pansies exist in the EMS field. We'll handle AIDS infested blood, but an inanimate object chills us to our bones. I see no need for LEO presence simply because the guy is exercising a right.
I feel that laws should be passed preventing any entity that receives one cent of taxpayer dollars, or tax breaks, to follow state law regarding CCW's. A damned shame that the hospital my tax dollars built is allowed to deprive me of my Constitutional rights. And, of course, it's because of people like firecoins & co that this absurdity happens. Like I said, I hope none of y'all ever get a call for a coronary at a gun shop, it'll take a month to "clear the scene"
Yeah, think I'm gonna tell the judge "it's my right", just before he hands down that 2 year sentence for carrying a weapon into a hospital!
I am a 36 year member of the NRA and as such, I support gun rights. But, even the NRA believes in public safety and security. CCW is a right for the carrier..not for those who treat and transport that carrier. The gun must be properly secured by PD in most cases. It can also be secured by hospital security until such time as the carrier presents his CCW at discharge.
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In my state, that's not a crime. Which part of "shall not be infringed" applies?
How come we get so many people like that? I mean, do any of you say "I support not murdering babies.... BUT.". Of course not. A right is a right, caveats need not apply. Usually the "but" means "but I'll still cowtow to Unconstitutional laws!".
Rights exist for all, not just the upgrade peasants that the government bequeaths them upon.
Hah! Hospital security does CCW checks? My hospital security probably couldn't read the fine print on mine, let alone have any method of determining it's worth. Whenever someone in "security" asks for my CCW, I always pull out my Utah permit. Of course, I've got my PA (and FL!) permit, but it seems to me if someones taking it upon their authority to validate my ID, they should be aware of all of the states and their reciprocity agreements. If they aren't, they should just mind their own damn business
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In my state, that's not a crime. Which part of "shall not be infringed" applies?
How come we get so many people like that? I mean, do any of you say "I support not murdering babies.... BUT.". Of course not. A right is a right, caveats need not apply. Usually the "but" means "but I'll still cowtow to Unconstitutional laws!".
Rights exist for all, not just the upgrade peasants that the government bequeaths them upon.
Hah! Hospital security does CCW checks? My hospital security probably couldn't read the fine print on mine, let alone have any method of determining it's worth. Whenever someone in "security" asks for my CCW, I always pull out my Utah permit. Of course, I've got my PA (and FL!) permit, but it seems to me if someones taking it upon their authority to validate my ID, they should be aware of all of the states and their reciprocity agreements. If they aren't, they should just mind their own damn business
Try carrying a weapon in a hospital or school here and Bubba becomes your new best friend for 2 years. Just ask a very stupid partner I once had. I'm pretty sure he's out of jail now ^_^ Tried to warn the fool but oh no...he claimed he had rights! Oh, he did have rights and he did excersise his right. Then a judge excersised his.
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Thatjeffguy.....If you read my posts you'll see where I stand on this but for crying out loud what is your problem??....You are coming off as the playground bully and it's pretty annoying...I have over time frequented this site less and less because of that bullcrap. So how about knock it off and realize that people disagree and there's no need to name call and in general act childish just because they do.
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Thank you, sir.
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A bully?
I think it's more of a sign that our schools are failing and people are getting dumb. How many DOZENS of questions have I asked that haven't been answered? How many posts do I make dealing with someones points, they then ignore it and a week later pop in regurgitating the same old stuff.
It's a bit annoying trying to debate or discuss things with people that have the intellectual capacity of a mentally handicapped gorilla. No one in particular, FWIW.
Very few people today are intelligent enough, or have been taught to THINK rather than to regurgitate lines, to really take part in a debate. When I encounter these people, I enjoy calling them out on it. Perhaps that's an antiquated notion, engaging in debate and being called upon to stand up for your words, but it's a notion I greatly appreciate.
I will try to be a bit more user friendly. Thanks for the input.
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