COVID VACCINE - The Megathread

Would you get the Pfizer vaccine if it were available to you?

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CarSevenFour said:
Read it again, I adequately stated my position.
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www.reuters.com

Fact Check-Bill Gates quote about vaccines and population growth has been taken out of context again  

A comment from Bill Gates about vaccines and population growth has again been taken out of context.
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False Bill Gates ‘depopulate with vaccines’ news a conspiracy theory classic

An old edition of the 'Sovereign Independent' newspaper that carries the claim purportedly 'can't be found' any more.
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www.snopes.com

Did Bill Gates 'Admit' Vaccinations Are Designed So Governments Can 'Depopulate' the World?

The computer magnate believes that vaccines can be used to reduce childhood mortality and ultimately reduce population growth through associated social changes, not as an agent of death.
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Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines do not contain graphene oxide

Online reports that COVID-19 vaccines contain graphene oxide are unfounded.
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Graphene Oxide In Pfizer Covid-19 Vaccines? Here Are The Latest Unsupported Claims

An Instagram post said, “There’s no other reason for this to be in here except to murder people.”
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Pfizer vaccine does not contain graphene oxide

Graphene oxide is not among the ingredients found in Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine, despite alarmist claims to the contrary on social media.
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Stop pushing debunked conspiracy theories and passing them off as facts.
 
Free speech and all. It’s a forum. On the internet. Let people say what they want, so long as they are not being intentionally disrespectful.

It’s up to the individual (the reader) to take a message and do their own research to draw their own conclusions. This is not a medical research forum; it’s EMTlife. No one is coming here for all the answers to medical mysteries, and quite frankly the COVID phenomenon is still a huge mystery that no one knows much about after a year and a half.

People here have said outlandish **** on a multitude of topics. I’m growing tired of the “if it goes against the narrative shut it down” type of policies and practices. Is dude nuts? Maybe, but it kind of bears itself out.
 
Carlos Danger said:
Huh? I'm quite sure that more than a few times folks have posted links to media write-ups that discussed research, and I don't remember you are anyone else ever having an issue with it.
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He linked to a Federalist story written by a undergrad student. It hot linked to "research" but if you click on the link marked "research," it's actually just an Op Ed which the student rehashed into an story for the Federalist! No actual research posted! C'mon!

That is even more disingenuous that the implication of the story which was the only reason to vaccinate is to prevent death. Most childhood vaccinations are not just about preventing death, but disability and severe illness. Now, I'd love to read the research or a decent summary thereof that might discuss such things.

Let us not pretend that this was any kind of an attempt at scientific journalism. It was a shoddy politically motivated attack piece at best, yellow journalism at worst.
 
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Causation doesn’t equal causation. Except in this case then it does.
 
Summit said:
He linked to a Federalist story written by a undergrad student. It hot linked to "research" but if you click on the link marked "research," it's actually just an Op Ed which the student rehashed into an story for the Federalist! No actual research posted! C'mon!

That is even more disingenuous that the implication of the story which was the only reason to vaccinate is to prevent death. Most childhood vaccinations are not just about preventing death, but disability and severe illness. Now, I'd love to read the research or a decent summary thereof that might discuss such things.

Let us not pretend that this was any kind of an attempt at scientific journalism. It was a shoddy politically motivated attack piece at best, yellow journalism at worst.
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I wasn't defending the article itself. I didn't even click on the link. At the time that I made my comment, no one had said anything about the quality of the article or of the research that it ostensibly discussed.

I was making just that point that folks post articles all the time that discuss research (again, that's what this purportedly was) and no one has a problem with it, until it's a media source that offends the political sensibilities of one of the moderators.
 
I think looking at the source and quality of scientific journalism are absolutely valid items to consider and criticize. Healthcare professionals, even EMS, shouldn't be getting their best information from opinion pieces or infotainment services.
 
DesertMedic66 said:
I’m real surprised that we have allowed so much posting about blatantly false and dangerous information on the forum…

since we are on the subject of crazy talk, I heard from a friend of a friend of an ex of a cousin of widow that they 100% saw an alien being experimented on at Area 51 just yesterday. I will now create a blog post and reference to that as my proof and also site multiple other people who have been caught in direct lies, mistruths, and other scandals. Also it wasn’t planes that hit the twin towers. It was in fact a pair of prototype flying Sea Orcas who were escaping from Sea World New York.
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The best way to fight disinformation and falsity is with scientific facts, not remove them from view where they can fester and self perpetuate. It's the same reason I've posted articles and asked questions...to foster a good, science based discussion that can be used against the arguments against getting vaccinated.

I've used some of the better supported posts as a basis to try and convince people to get vaccinated. The arguments being made here against getting vaccinated are also being made out in the public space. If EMS is to be involved in public health and convincing people to get vaccinated, it makes sense that we are better prepared to do it.

If you're dismissing the other side's arguments solely based on whose making them, then this becomes an echo chamber and not a discussion forum.
 
ffemt8978 said:
arstechnica.com

This 900-person delta cluster in Mass. has CDC freaked out—74% are vaccinated [Updated]

CDC estimates 35K symptomatic infections in US per week among 162 million vaccinated.
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74% of the people in a delta variant cluster were vaccinated? Scary
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Certainly worth looking into, which is why I just read most of the Facebook posts by Town Manager Alex Morse on which the article seems to be based.

What isn't clear is how Morse is defining "vaccinated" (one shot or two), at what location(s) people got their shots, how many vaccine manufacturers were involved, how many batches were used, how the doses were stored, who administered them, and how they were administered.

I'm asking questions, not drawing conclusions.
 
mgr22 said:
Certainly worth looking into, which is why I just read most of the Facebook posts by Town Manager Alex Morse on which the article seems to be based.

What isn't clear is how Morse is defining "vaccinated" (one shot or two), at what location(s) people got their shots, how many vaccine manufacturers were involved, how many batches were used, how the doses were stored, who administered them, and how they were administered.

I'm asking questions, not drawing conclusions.
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All good points, but at least Morse is putting the data out there so that questions can be asked and answered.
 
Questioning the research is great practice. It’s what makes science better, hence peer review. No argument here.
 
One of the more interesting things that I have noticed is that while we're here discussing the actual science, earlier this evening, when a patient asked a co-worker of mine about getting a vaccine to get rid of her Covid 19 infection, my co-worker replied "it's a bit late for that..." I also had a discussion with a patient, who ended up testing positive, about the the vaccine. This patient didn't want to get the vaccine but also seemed a bit surprised how effective the vaccines are against preventing severe disease and death, not necessarily preventing infection per se.

Unfortunately this patient now gets to find out if the course is going to be mild or if it's going to be more moderate/severe and now knows that had the vaccine been administered, the high likelihood is that severe disease/hospitalization/death is very unlikely...
 
ffemt8978 said:
arstechnica.com

This 900-person delta cluster in Mass. has CDC freaked out—74% are vaccinated [Updated]

CDC estimates 35K symptomatic infections in US per week among 162 million vaccinated.
arstechnica.com arstechnica.com

74% of the people in a delta variant cluster were vaccinated? Scary
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The MMWR article is pretty fascinating. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm

469 patients, 5 hospitalized, of whom 4 were vaccinated. Of the 469 patients, 74% were *fully* vaccinated - meaning >=14 days from their final dose.

Scary stuff - keep those masks on!
 
EpiEMS said:
Of the 469 patients, 74% were *fully* vaccinated - meaning >=14 days from their final dose.
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and so many people are latching onto this as ‘proof’ that the vaccine is useless or something sinister. Granted these people were super conspiracy theory anti-vaxers before.
 
I now know 3 people who were previously vaccinated who tested positive for COVID in the last week. Mildish symptoms, no hospitalization.
 
FiremanMike said:
I now know 3 people who were previously vaccinated who tested positive for COVID in the last week. Mildish symptoms, no hospitalization.
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to be honest, I don't care... I'm not all that worried about who tests positive; what I'm worried about is the hospitalizations and death rate, which have fallen significantly following the vaccinations.

in the grand scheme of things, is it cause for concern? well, it's something the CDC/NIH/Public Health people should be monitoring. but do rising positive tests, without the rising deaths or hospitalizations mean the pandemic is here to stay? especially if they have mildish symptoms? absolutely not, I think it's time for us to get back to some semblance of normalcy.
 
EpiEMS said:
Pretty consistent with what the MMWR report on Provincetown showed. And the share of deaths due to COVID among the vaccinated is effectively 0. (See, for e.g., this KFF discussion - https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/)
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Agreed, everyone who tested positive had mild to moderate symptoms.. The only concerning part is that all 3 of these folks were at a wedding, two of whom I spent a good deal of time with in the groomsmen suite.. The other concerning thing is there were a handful of unvaccinated folks at the wedding.

DrParasite said:
to be honest, I don't care...
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Is being abrasive just your online persona, or is this how you conduct yourself IRL?

Anyhow, I essentially agree with the rest of your post. We simply cannot shut down again for delta. As a matter of fact, I’m going on a cruise in a few weeks, and I’m not in the slightest bit worried.
 
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