COVID VACCINE - The Megathread

[CbrMonster]

I am opting not to get it, I don’t trust it, it was rushed with no long term testing.

this may not be a well founded argument but I feel the first batch of people are the test for long term side effects.

I don’t trust big pharmaceutical, they’re like politicians they’re going to lie cheat steal do what ever to get their way. I do not think they have anyone’s best interest in their minds but only the monetary gain.

I am not an anti vaxxer I’m up to date on everything else we generally vaccinate for.

however I did not know as someone else mentioned that the flu shot has h1n1 in it.

I opted out of my flu shot this year due to the fact that I semi suspected that they would try to throw some covid vaccine in it to.

I may be diving to deep in the conspiracy pond but I also feel that I’m looking at it logically with common sense.

 

[Fezman92]

I should be getting mine on Monday.

 

[ffemt8978]

I think tonight when I go to sleep I’m updating to windows 10.

So the vaccine does have negative side effects.

 

[Atherthor]

I got mine today. My arms a bit sore and I have some nasal congestion, both of which I get with the flu quad every year.

Same. Sore arm, light fatigue. Back on the truck the next day.

 

[Summit]

the flu shot has h1n1 in it.

I opted out of my flu shot this year due to the fact that I semi suspected that they would try to throw some covid vaccine in it to.

I may be diving to deep in the conspiracy

I have no words... that post is an embarrassment to yourself and EMS.

 

[CbrMonster]

I have no words... that post is an embarrassment to yourself and EMS.

Why?

 

[Summit]

Why?

I was going to say that as a healthcare professional you should be able to realize or easily glean through some rudimentary self education those statements are factually inaccurate.

But that's wrong and my post was partially wrong.

You are an EMT and we do not prepare EMTs to self-educate, nor teach anything about vaccines other than you have to get your Hep B titer/series. We barely teach EMTs anything about the immune system, just mention some white cells and a complaint/finding based treatment of sepsis, and just a smidgen of critical thinking. That's not a dig on you, just matter of fact assessment of EMS education. Some EMTs are educated in these things through other means, but not EMT school.

So, it is wrong for me to hold it against an EMT not knowing that the flu shots do not contain live virus, or that containing inactivated H1N1 is the very means through which your body learns to fight it without suffering the infection. It is wrong for me to hold it against and EMT for not self-educating.

But not getting a flu shot because you thought "they" would "sneak in a COVID vaccine" is just... wow... seriously?

 

[CbrMonster]

I will say I am by no means extremely versed in the knowledge of vaccines but I understand the general principal of how they work.

I self educate, maybe I need to do more on vaccines, specifically on Covid. But I do seek out things I generally do not understand for simple self betterment or to improve my patient care.

So I didn’t know previous year flu vaccines included h1n1 I don’t see how that makes me an embarrassment to myself or ems.

I have a strong distrust against a vaccine that the government has said that we the general public can not hold it liable for adverse health effects. That doesn’t seem just a little fishy to you? I don’t run around wearing a tinfoil hat but that raises some red flags in my books.

big pharmaceutical companies have lied to the public about what’s in its medications or what side effects it may cause before so why blindly trust them now? Especially when there is such a hard push for it.

I don’t see that as totally irrational

clearly i’m not the only healthcare provider that seems to think it’s best to wait and see

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[Mufasa556]

 

[hpclayto]

Well I’ve never gotten a flu shot either. I guess that makes me a doubly bad person.

 

[Alan L Serve]

I am opting not to get it, I don’t trust it, it was rushed with no long term testing.

this may not be a well founded argument but I feel the first batch of people are the test for long term side effects.

I don’t trust big pharmaceutical, they’re like politicians they’re going to lie cheat steal do what ever to get their way. I do not think they have anyone’s best interest in their minds but only the monetary gain.

I am not an anti vaxxer I’m up to date on everything else we generally vaccinate for.

however I did not know as someone else mentioned that the flu shot has h1n1 in it.

I opted out of my flu shot this year due to the fact that I semi suspected that they would try to throw some covid vaccine in it to.

I may be diving to deep in the conspiracy pond but I also feel that I’m looking at it logically with common sense.

My dear friend,
Your position
is the position
of death.

 

[akflightmedic]

Unsure if I posted in here or not with regards to the COVID vaccine...regardless, here is my story. I am high risk by all the scare stories being placed out there. I have battled severe allergies my entire life, I am allergic to shell fish, dyes, and tree nuts. At age 17 I went into anaphylactic shock after receiving my allergy shots, went into pulseless V-Tach, and was on a ventilator for two days. I have carried an epi-pen my entire life and have had to use it a few times over the decades.

So yes, I was scared to get the vaccine because out of 2 Million doses given, there had been FIVE reactions at the time. FIVE! LOL I figure I cannot win the lottery, but I will sure as heck win this statistical improbability.

Anyways, I am in charge of our administration program in my county, I set up the drive throughs, got all the area Chiefs briefed, appts scheduled and the clinics have been going well. So in prep for myself, I researched the heck out of the vaccine to the best of my ability. I researched what I could learn of the prior reactions, the ingredients of Moderna, and made a personal informed decision from there.

There is only ONE ingredient someone can be allergic to in Moderna. ONE. And that single ingredient is in darn near every food product, plastic, and who knows what else. I also learned the reactions were mild or pseudo. I do not mean these people faked it, I mean that our bodies are very strange in the sense that we can manifest symptoms, very real symptoms, just by overthinking them. Think about people who break out in stress hives, or work themselves into a panic attack. I myself have had exposures over the years where I did not react severely, but until I calmed myself down and realized I was not actually reacting, I only felt like I was reacting.

With all that in mind, I prepped my team. I was the last shot of the day. I had them place an IV, I took my shot laying on a stretcher, and they had all airway equipment and meds ready to roll. I was surrounded by 6 Paramedics who all were very kind and sympathetic to my situation. No jokes were made about me, just distractor jokes while we prepped and then waited after I got my shot.

I got my injection and yes, I started feeling funny and got tight in my throat. This was me being anxious, 100%. I just square breathed, let a minute pass and the symptoms dissipated. And if you are laughing right now, that's cool...you should have seen me when I had to get my JE vaccine!

I had no reactions to the vaccine. I had site injection tenderness, that is it. No sore arm, no sore muscle, not a single symptom of any kind. The next morning, the site no longer hurt either. Many of my colleagues all reported similar results. Ever being the skeptic, I wonder how many of the symptoms being reported are "true" in nature? I know how I can bring on stuff, so I unfairly apply that same possibility to others.

Regarding the vaccine itself, it may only last a few months, a year, few years, or not at all. I am ok with that, as I see the first hand negative effects of COVID almost daily in my line of work. Why on earth would I not take a vaccine which may prevent that? A vaccine that is nothing more than lipids/fats and will be broken down in no time at all. A vaccine that does not inject the virus in any form and is devoid of microchips.

I will get my second dose in a few weeks and then 2 weeks or so after that, in theory I should be 95% +/- immune to catching COVID. Only time will tell. Does it mean I will relax my PPE standards and caution with social distancing? Not at all! Until we have many more months of the vaccine program, that thought will not cross my mind. I do however rest easier knowing that I have done all I can do to protect myself. I fail to see how big Pharma, the Govt, or scientists have any benefit from conspiring together to inject me with the vaccine.

 

[akflightmedic]

On day 1 of the clinic, I was able to give the first dose to Carl. He gave permission for me to share as he thinks this should be blasted everywhere. I will post his blurb and our pics.

"Carl Blondell, Paramedic aged 68, active Frontline 911 Medic, wicked smart, world traveler, avid skier, currently building his own house in a remote location, first became an EMT in 1973....requested to be our first recipient of Moderna COVID vaccine today. All went well, and the clinic is off to a great start!!"

 

[ffemt8978]

My dear friend,
Your position
is the position
of death.

Unless you can offer some proof of that claim, it is just a position you do not support.

Seriously, stop trying to influence people with factless, emotional arguments for getting the vaccine. You're doing more harm than good trying to convince people to get vaccinated.

 

[Summit]

@Alan L Serve c'mon guy, we've always smiled and nodded at your poetic posts, but you are not changing anyone's mind by repeating the same exhortations. Add some actual content maybe?

@CbrMonster asked me for info to read/watch. I gave him a few journal articles, briefs, and some youtubes including one my lectures.

I'm posting that in this thread because I was not nice yet his reaction is not what I was expecting, it is commendable.

This forum has always been about promoting education. We should always commend those seeking knowledge. That is how EMS progresses.

 

[MMiz]

Thankful for a vaccine, but wondering how we speed up the vaccination process.

What do we need to do at the national, state, and local levels to vaccinate more people?

 

[NomadicMedic]

It was incredibly slow and inefficient when I got it. I expected a gym full of people getting stuck. It was very slow. Like a doctors appointment

 

[DesertMedic66]

I was the only one during the 30 minutes I was there. Took about 5 minutes of filling out paperwork then about 10 seconds for the injection and then the policy at the place I went to is to monitor you for 15 minutes

 

[akflightmedic]

The drive thru I set up is very fast. I bring in 3-4 cars at a time, the people have already pre-filled their paperwork with some of the necessary info I need for the State report. They hand over their paper and Driver's license, one guy with iPad gets to inputting data. 2nd guy hands the laminated paper copy to the patient to read since this is what they will finger sign in the iPad, COVID Vaccine card is handed to patient for them to write their name and DOB on, the card is already pre-filled with LOT #/exp/location/next appt, and they are asked if they have any other questions or concerns. At this point, iPad guy is ready to ask the mandatory screening questions and get finger signature. iPad guy then places green card or yellow card in their windshield wiper. Injector guy then knows that person is ready for injection, green is 15 min wait, yellow is 30 min wait. After the injection, mandatory vaccine sheet given and time of injection written on the card. They then exit the bay and outside marshall puts them in the 15 min queue or has them park in the 30 minute lot.

Quick and easy....longest part is the wait post injection. We have them in and out of the bay in approximately 6-8 minutes or less.

Forgot to mention, the State EMS board has us do a "run sheet" on every single individual. However, they set up in the online system a single vaccine clinic option and once in that tab, we scan their DL barcode and it imports their info into the report. There is minimal data needed. After getting the basics, I can hit "next patient" and the report will auto generate a run number for each individual patient within that day's clinic. I then can go back at the end of the clinic to update/input any missed info. Also, the State wrote the narrative for us and it auto-populates once a patient's DL bar code is scanned.

 

[MMiz]

I'm not sure what I was expecting, but I imagined that the vaccine would be rolled out with military-like speed, manpower, and consistency.

It seems like every site has their own plan/process.

@akflightmedic What are your limiting factors? What's holding you back?

Doses available? Manpower? Patients? Space?