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usafmedic45 said:
Depends....I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to those who otherwise are trustworthy (cops, etc) but tend to assume guilt in those who have the propensity to be guilty (prior convictions, resisted arrest, called a press conference with Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, etc).
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You do realize that Ron Thomas, Kelly's father, is a retired sheriffs deputy?
 
So when Ramos is convicted, we can expect you to agree?
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If he's convicted, yes.....there's always the chance the jury will either believe the cops or will simply nullify the charges and write all this off as justifiable to rid the world of another criminal.
 
JPINFV said:
You do realize that Ron Thomas, Kelly's father, is a retired sheriffs deputy?
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Because having a good parents means it's impossible to have a bad kid.
 
This is going to get really interesting, then, when they do release the transit center security camera footage. It's supposed to be rather graphic.
 
usafmedic45 said:
If he's convicted, yes.....there's always the chance the jury will either believe the cops or will simply nullify the charges and write all this off as justifiable to rid the world of another criminal.
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Kelly Thomas was a criminal? What crimes has he been convicted of in relation to his death? For someone who wants to give the police all the benefit of the doubt, where's Kelly's benefit of the doubt?
 
JPINFV said:
You do realize that Ron Thomas, Kelly's father, is a retired sheriffs deputy?
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I don't care if he's John Paul II back from the grave. He should understand where his son screwed up by resisting and challenging the officers in question. I'd say he could have done a better job raising his kid too (which is my normal response to people whose poor parenting results in their children turning out as criminals) but unfortunately the diagnosis of schizophrenia tends to lend this case to the "We'll never know the family's true culpability" in all of this file.
 
Linuss said:
Never said he was.
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You implied it by bringing it up. What's stopping cops from being bad that they deserve benefit of the doubt not afforded to everyone else?
 
usafmedic45 said:
I don't care if he's John Paul II back from the grave. He should understand where his son screwed up by resisting and challenging the officers in question. I'd say he could have done a better job raising his kid too (which is my normal response to people whose poor parenting results in their children turning out as criminals) but unfortunately the diagnosis of schizophrenia tends to lend this case to the "We'll never know the family's true culpability" in all of this file.
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So the police get a blank check when it comes to force on scene? If a police officer walks up and punches you for no reason, you're really going to simply say, "Please sir, may I have another?"
 
Kelly Thomas was a criminal? What crimes has he been convicted of in relation to his death? For someone who wants to give the police all the benefit of the doubt, where's Kelly's benefit of the doubt?
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See the post above that says that people who are normally otherwise trustworthy tend to have a better time convincing me of their innocence/getting the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, he didn't live long enough to serve time for whatever he was involved with that got him detained. I like to play odds so let's play the odds that he's a schizo and has a criminal record. That's better than most you'll see at a casino or horse track.

This is going to get really interesting, then, when they do release the transit center security camera footage. It's supposed to be rather graphic.
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Most beatings, at least when done correctly, are. If the person on the receiving end doesn't learn a permanent indelible lesson from it, you're not trying hard enough.
 
Linuss said:
And you implied he wasn't culpable of a crime because his dad is a former LEO.
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Strictly because you said that police are essentially holy and incapable of committing a crime.
 
Yeah cause there is no such thing as a bad cop.

Or six.
 
usafmedic45 said:
Most beatings, at least when done correctly, are. If the person on the receiving end doesn't learn a permanent indelible lesson from it, you're not trying hard enough.
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The job of the police is not to meet out lessons. This is not Judge Dread, the police are not judge, jury, executioner in a free country.
 
JPINFV said:
Strictly because you said that police are essentially holy and incapable of committing a crime.
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Never said that, nor implied it. However, when compared to the general population, your average officer is less likely to commit major crimes.
 
usafmedic45 said:
Likewise. A press conference by an elected official pandering to his constituency is not proof of guilt.
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So the DA is lying about what the audio recording and video cameras captured? After all, what reason do the suspects (police officers) have to lie?
 
Or six.
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Two, who may or may not be guilty and may well just be scapegoats for the DA trying to get a bonus for reelection whenever that comes up. The other four were cleared of wrongdoing. It's like saying that you're sitting there munching popcorn and your partner gets busted with crack in his pocket. Do you deserve to go to jail with him?
 
The job of the police is not to meet out lessons. This is not Judge Dread, the police are not judge, jury, executioner in a free country.
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If you resist them trying to do their job, sometimes they have to be. Dealing with criminals is a lot like the movie Roadhouse: Be nice until it's time not to be nice.
 
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