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Elephant!=Human?
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Well, some humans. Most elephants are sweet, intelligent and loving. Criminals...not so much. There's nothing sufficiently inherently valuable with regards to human life that will override the consequences of one's actions. The value placed upon life is an artificial construct based on value judgments such as what I am making. My scale is just a little more finely graded than most.
 
usafmedic45 said:
No, I was just taught not to cause problems and to be polite. I've dealt with bullies and that approach doesn't work. Amazingly however it does work with the police so I guess there is a little more complicated cladistics at play here than you're assuming. I would expect such circular reasoning and assumptions from the likes of someone with minimal background in science who lets their emotions cloud their judgment. I don't expect it from someone with your level of intelligence.
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...and I don't expect an endless belief in the absolute righteousness of the police to come from someone as educated with you.
 
Gray said:
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Thank you for sharing that. It's nice to see what happened. It looks like the truth was somewhere in the middle. The guy wasn't complying but the cops got out of hand. I'd say it's still a 60/40 split with regards to liability on this one (cops/perp).
 
JPINFV said:
...and I don't expect an endless belief in the absolute righteousness of the police to come from someone as educated with you.
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I don't believe they are always right. I was a very vocal advocate after a local cop was drunk on duty and killed a motorcyclist at a stoplight for the officer to be made an example out of and for the leadership (including the mayor) that covered it up to be ousted and punished. I just tend to give the benefit of the doubt to folks who I know tend to be more trustworthy as a group than a schizo. After seeing the tape, not so much though....
 
I am sure the more videos that come out of this the closer we will be to the truth. Good, bad, or ugly.
 
Gray said:
I am sure the more videos that come out of this the closer we will be to the truth. Good, bad, or ugly.
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It was excessive, but I still think he deserved to at least get his *** kicked for being dumb enough to attack the cops.
 
usafmedic45 said:
After seeing the tape, not so much though....
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...and that's the thing. The beating occurred on July 5th, and while I think that the other officers have at least an ethical failing, I can understand why they aren't being charged (yet). I have a significant problem, though, with an officer baiting a suspect into a fight, which is what the evidence that has been released so far has indicated.
 
Gray said:
I am sure the more videos that come out of this the closer we will be to the truth. Good, bad, or ugly.
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The police and DA have so far refused to release the security camera footage. From what has been leaked, it has a close up on the vast majority of the footage. The camera itself feeds into and is controlled by the department's dispatch center, and was being watched as the fight went down. The specific quotes that the DA released today was recorded by the officer's own personal audio recorder.

I imagine that the video will be released with the trial, and I imagine it's not going to be pretty.
 
JPINFV said:
Elephant!=Human?

Yes, the 130 lb schizophrenic homeless dude is so going to throw the police officer against a wall.
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Ever wrestle someone high on pcp? I have. It took every one of the 11 of us to win that one, and he weighed less than me!


Hell , ever wrestle a retarded person? Even the kids are freakishly strong.
 
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There's no evidence that Kelly Thomas was on any drugs at the time of the incident.

"Earlier this month, an attorney representing the Thomas family released hospital records that showed Thomas had tested negative for drugs and alcohol and that the immediate cause of death was "brain death" due to "head trauma" from the incident."

http://mobile.latimes.com/p.p?a=rp&...DL.w=&DL.d=10&DQ=sectionId%3A5224&DPS=0&DPL=3

I guess the physician is spinning the medical records.
 
And I never said he was, not even insinuated as much.


But you did implicitly write that a 130lb person would not be a threat to a cop.
 
There's no evidence that Kelly Thomas was on any drugs at the time of the incident.
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He sat for five days or so before the autopsy. I'm not surprised he tested negative unless they bothered to test his hair which I doubt they did. As for the validity of the hospital tests, given the drugs given to head trauma patients, it is very difficult for a non-toxicologist or anyone without a GC-MS to tease out what came from where.
 
usafmedic45 said:
He sat for five days or so before the autopsy. I'm not surprised he tested negative unless they bothered to test his hair which I doubt they did. As for the validity of the hospital tests, given the drugs given to head trauma patients, it is very difficult for a non-toxicologist or anyone without a GC-MS to tease out what came from where.
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Medical records aren't the same as a coroner's report. Do you not think that the emergency department ran a tox screen?
 
JPINFV said:
Medical records aren't the same as a coroner's report. Do you not think that the emergency department ran a tox screen?
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Eh....it's hit or miss depending upon the hospital or even the doc on duty. Most of the time it's an afterthought speaking from both my clinical experience and my coronial/research background.
 
Quote of the night: "Guns don’t kill people – gaping holes in vital organs kill people."
 
This is thread is getting quite directional...
 
PoeticInjustice said:
This is thread is getting quite directional...
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Not so fast!

I have tropical punch koolaid and vanilla bean ice cream.

I don't get the difference between vanilla and vanilla bean except for the little specks.

They both taste like vanilla.

So does that just mean that vanilla bean is a dirty vanilla?
 
Well, passed my paramedic practicals today, next up is the written :ph34r:
 
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