Should EMS/Fire be armed?

DrParasite

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If you don't want to be mistaken for a cop, no. The more you look like a cop, the more likely you are to be mistaken for one. If an EDP sees someone coming up in a vehicle with flashing lights, wearing BDUs, boots, and a job shirt, and carrying a gun or a taser, they're gonna think your a cop.
you know what? that is a fair point. most cops don't wear job shirts, that's more of a firefighter thing. BDUs are more of a military thing. If you are carrying a gun of taser in a concealed manner, where it isn't visible, then your concern about looking like a cop goes away right?
Meanwhile, if we come carrying medical gear or wearing an ANSI vest or turnout gear, no one is gonna think you're a cop
Cops wear Ansi vests all the time, and they keep their gun on them; have you ever seen them directing traffic? Firefighters will be the ones who are wearing turnout gear, not EMS personnel (EMS personnel typically don't wear turnout gear on "routine" EMS calls).

I honestly think your belief that you look like a cop is more on your head than in the head of an EDP.
 

Jim37F

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Somewhat tangential, but just a day or so ago, there was a fatal police shooting here. They just released the Body Cam footage. Basically guy walks up to the cops, they tell him to get on the ground, and he just starts wailing on them. He's fighting with two officers, a third arrives and immediately attempts to Taser him, but it's ineffective. Guy shoves one of the cops to the ground, one gunshot is fired by that cop, Guy straddles the cop and starts beating him (cop lost consciousness), one of the other two fired and killed the guy. Body cam showing he was clearly still actively beating his fists into the unconscious police officer's face.

And people are STILL defending him, saying "Oh, Police should have de-escalated" "He only got shot because he is black" etc etc.

So yeah, even in a "captured on video of absolutely clear cut case of self defense", public backlash if an EMT or Medic shot someone would be crazy, and they would still be saying "oh if you can't handle the job without shooting someone it's not the job for you" and holding memorials for the assaulter, and demanding EMS get disarmed and/or defunded or whatever.

I'm not against Conceal Carry if it's legal in your State (and I think it should be legal in all 50 states), and you're carrying in compliance with the law as you would off duty... but "Arming EMS like Police" meaning employers provide firearms, ammo, holsters, training, etc and you wear it on your belt next to your Leatherman Raptors, mutltiool, pager, glove pouch, etc etc, no, that I do not support.
 

CCCSD

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you know what? that is a fair point. most cops don't wear job shirts, that's more of a firefighter thing. BDUs are more of a military thing. If you are carrying a gun of taser in a concealed manner, where it isn't visible, then your concern about looking like a cop goes away right?

Cops wear Ansi vests all the time, and they keep their gun on them; have you ever seen them directing traffic? Firefighters will be the ones who are wearing turnout gear, not EMS personnel (EMS personnel typically don't wear turnout gear on "routine" EMS calls).

I honestly think your belief that you look like a cop is more on your head than in the head of an EDP.
wrong. Cops wear pullover tops. Cops wear BDU pants. Daily.
 

Jim37F

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And I see EMTs wear BDU pants daily (and cops wear regular non cargo uniform pants daily as well). Of course those EMTs are wearing all white shirts vs HPD's dark colored uniforms. What's the point of whether or not they're wearing pants with pockets or not?
 

DrParasite

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wrong. Cops wear pullover tops. Cops wear BDU pants. Daily.
good job, you completely missed the point of my post.
 

DrParasite

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And people are STILL defending him, saying "Oh, Police should have de-escalated" "He only got shot because he is black" etc etc.

So yeah, even in a "captured on video of absolutely clear cut case of self defense", public backlash if an EMT or Medic shot someone would be crazy, and they would still be saying "oh if you can't handle the job without shooting someone it's not the job for you" and holding memorials for the assaulter, and demanding EMS get disarmed and/or defunded or whatever.
has anyone asked those people how much injury a cop needs to sustain before they can defend themselves from a lethal threat?

And out of curiosity, how much public backlash occurs when an EMT or Medic is killed or injured by an attacker in the line of duty? Or are certain people ok with EMT or PD officers dying in a LODD at the hands of an attacker, because that's an acceptable risk and part of the job?

The ignorance to the facts that many of the general public experience (polling shows that some groups of people think cops kill 1000+ unarmed POC a year, when the actual number is closer to 27), and many in the media manipulate the facts to elicit an emotional outrage from people, without including crucial context, is really not what I am concerned about... Those people need to be educated about the reality of the situation and provided the facts that demonstrate that their beliefs are based on correct assumptions.

I want to go home at the end of every shift. Most cops I know want the same. most cops I know don't have to shoot anyone. it's not fun, and it's not something they are looking forward to doing. But if it's either they kill the attacker, or the attacker kills him... I know what choice I would make, every time.
 

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