Need a debate, heres one.

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Sasha said:
And this happened two weeks ago, let it go. It makes you look bitter to keep bringing it up.
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I would be bitter if I got written up for not doing something that I am not trained to do.
 
sir.shocksalot said:
I would be bitter if I got written up for not doing something that I am not trained to do.
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Me too. But she is trained to do it. That's the whole point here.
 
Ms.Medic said:
AJ-HAHA, looks like you like the drama around here huh. I'll let you have the last word, its pretty much whatever to me. But just FYI, When I asked what was "blown", I was refering to the last post by another member when I didnt get what he was talking about,,,GOD FORBID WE HAVE A CONFUSION ON HERE. And I have never gotten offended, or upset because a member told me how they felt. Looks like your the one that gets all emotional about these post. Respond back to this so you can have the last word, and Take care.
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I find it incredibly funny when someone asks for opinions on something, opinions are given, and that person gets defensive and witchy.
 
Sasha said:
I find it incredibly funny when someone asks for opinions on something, opinions are given, and that person gets defensive and witchy.
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Can you back that statement up with a quote from me being "defensive and witchy" about the topic, unless of course your talking about someone else. Thanks.
 
Ms.Medic said:
Can you back that statement up with a quote from me being "defensive and witchy" about the topic, unless of course your talking about someone else. Thanks.
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I don't have the time nor desire to pick out every single quote. You seem to have come for pure validation and so everyone could pat you on the back and go "Poor dear, poor dear! The horrible nasties!" and you get hostile with those who oppose you. They're simply trying to offer you another view of things, and their opinion on what you should have done.
 
AJ Hidell said:
Me too. But she is trained to do it. That's the whole point here.
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Would any other EMT in the same situation be written up? If not then she shouldn't be either. I agree that she should have placed the patient on the monitor, but she shouldn't get written up. As far as im concerned if you are employed at the EMT level, you work at the EMT level, regardless if you have finished paramedic school, RN school, or med school.
 
I find it funny as well, that when someone post something that they want advice about, or thats up for debate, suddenly certain members want to pick apart and analyze a certain "quote" to show how they are right, it was simply a discussion, debate, gettin advice, whatever you wanna call it, AND THEN, people who think the dicussion is "stupid" still want to respond. Go find something that you ARE interested in to respond to, and if its not this one, then leave the discussion, like I said, its simple. Im not mad, not offended, not upset at anyone, I WAS just curious. It seems like with other people responding to this and saying the same things, certain other members feel as though I am wanting things "my way", take my side, and wanting them to repeat things.
 
Sasha said:
I don't have the time nor desire to pick out every single quote. You seem to have come for pure validation and so everyone could pat you on the back and go "Poor dear, poor dear! The horrible nasties!" and you get hostile with those who oppose you. They're simply trying to offer you another view of things, and their opinion on what you should have done.
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I think everyone in this thread is getting a little nasty.
 
Sasha said:
I don't have the time nor desire to pick out every single quote. You seem to have come for pure validation and so everyone could pat you on the back and go "Poor dear, poor dear! The horrible nasties!" and you get hostile with those who oppose you. They're simply trying to offer you another view of things, and their opinion on what you should have done.
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Show me where I got "hostile" for someone offering ADVICE ???
 
Ms.Medic said:
Show me where I got "hostile" for someone offering ADVICE ???
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This seems to be another example of you tending to not see the same things that others are seeing. That was the problem in the original scenario.
 
AJ Hidell said:
This seems to be another example of you tending to not see the same things that others are seeing. That was the problem in the original scenario.
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This post doesnt even make sense. If you can show me, show me then. Where in the world I was hostile for someone giving me advice???? Still waiting.
 
Ms.Medic said:
This post doesnt even make sense. If you can show me, show me then. Where in the world I was hostile for someone giving me advice???? Still waiting.
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You started a thread with a title "Need a debate, heres one," what did you expect? Some will side with you, others won't. That's life.
 
MMiz said:
You started a thread with a title "Need a debate, heres one," what did you expect? Some will side with you, others won't. That's life.
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Exactly my point !!! It was a debate, a discussion, like I said in my last post, Im not being hostile for getting advice, as another member (or 2) was saying. I simply wanted to see what others would have done, and why, and then discuss it ? Obviously, certain members HAVE to be right, or their gonna nit pick at others post until they can prove they are right. I never thought there was a right or wrong answer, just wanted to see others' opinions. Not be attacked and be told Im hostile, LOL.
 
Unfortunately, many times we are able to see the underlying reason why there is problems when someone posts a topic. Ironically, the personality of that person appears.

See if I can make myself more clear. They entrusted you as a upcoming Paramedic to act and command yourself as one. I am assured that they did not intend for you to go over your scope of training to actually administer medications etc, but start the assessment technique. Part of that assessment technique would be performing an ECG. Since you admitted your taking your examination next week, he assumed that you should understand upon how to assess a cardiac patient and act as a Paramedic; within reason. Obtain an accurate history, vitals, initial treatment and yes perform an ECG. Even should be able to interpret it as well. Formally? No. Yet, have a general idea of what it is.

What you blew was confidence. They allowed you to demonstrate iniatitive to demonstrate your skills and knowledge and you did not. C'mon; you had a monitor and did not even hook them up to see an ECG? Your excuse of not being able to do something is what it is an excuse. If an LVN or RN can out read an ECG over a brand new Paramedic candidate; then itself is another problem. It does not matter if the monitor was a LP12, 5, 10, 11, or 55. Could you inform the ALS crew "unofficially" of your patients status and a heads up; yes. I usually have the opposite effect and have to fight newbies off the monitor.Usually, they want to read and place an ECG on everything.

Should you be written up. No. Would I entrust you to be the next brand new Paramedic to be released? No. Do I foresee problems within orientation of being a Paramedic? Yes. Not that you may not be intelligent enough, rather how much critical thinking skills have you demonstrated? How well can you orchestrate a call to reduce scene time and having the ability to predict the next movement without being told or directed?

R/r 911
 
Ms.Medic said:
I was recently written up for not taking a monitor (lifepack 11) into a call with us (a basic crew). We have lifepack 12s on all units except the backups, so as a basic crew, going into a medical facility, there was nothing I could have done with our 11. Our 12's, of course I could have used, no arguement there. FYI: I am taking my national exam for emtp next week, and this happend about 2 weeks ago. The supervisor said that I should have hooked them up to the monitor and had a strip ran for the paramedic when they got there because " I am so close to being a paramedic" and " I know how to do it". Now, I can completely see me doing this while they are there in front of me, but what if something was to show up on the monitor that was treatable, and the lvns/Rns are standing there looking at me like, "what are you going to do". Truth is, that as close as I may be, Im still not certified to put a monitor on a patient and run a strip,,,correct ???? Also, there is nothing in our policies and procedures that states what exactly we have to take in on a call. Can someone help me out in understanding why or how I can get in trouble for this. I certainly DO NOT want this in my file. So should I or should I not have ran a strip ?
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I guess if you have the thing with you and the ALS crew is a ways out. Why not. However writing someone up for something they had no obligation to do and stating well your almost a medic is ridiculous. This isnt horseshoes

Sure you could of took the initiative and ran the strip. You didnt and you dont have an obligation to.

I would fight it, however if there is no representation I dont think your going to get very far.

If you put it on as an EMT wich you are and were written up. The people on here would have lambasted you for it stating you dont have the education.
 
I would fight it, however if there is no representation I dont think your going to get very far.
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I think she'd make a better impression if she was adult enough in the situation to just suck it up.

Why, if EMTs are not expected to use monitors, is there one on her basic truck?

Did they want a rhythm strip or a whole 12 lead?
 
Hmmm...does anyone else see the irony here?

Some of the same people that are saying the OP should have run the strip just because she's trained to do it regardless of the fact it is outside her current scope of practice are the same ones that said a medic shouldn't wear a paramedic patch while working as a non-medic. :wacko:
 
Sasha said:
I think she'd make a better impression if she was adult enough in the situation to just suck it up.

Why, if EMTs are not expected to use monitors, is there one on her basic truck?

Did they want a rhythm strip or a whole 12 lead?
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I dont suck things up, thats what I pay union dues for.

Sucking it up would insinuate that she did something wrong. Which she didn't.
 
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CAOX3 said:
Sasha said:
I think she'd make a better impression if she was adult enough in the situation to just suck it up.

Why, if EMTs are not expected to use monitors, is there one on her basic truck?

Did they want a rhythm strip or a whole 12 lead?
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I dont suck things up, thats what I pay union dues for.

Sucking it up would insinuate that she did something wrong. Which she didn't.
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Or sucking it up illustrates that she has the ability to pick her battles.
 
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