medics with attitudes

I just realized something about this site. After reading multiple threads and their responses i see this isnt a site "for" all EMT's. Its more of a site that allows some people feel superior to others. I see no respect for others on this site, I just see a place for people to puff up their chests and "prove" who they are. I see no brotherhood here, only attitudes and Im much to old to play those games. That being said enjoy your life and work, I'll stick to those who I know and respect.
 
RiverpirateEMT said:
I just realized something about this site. After reading multiple threads and their responses i see this isnt a site "for" all EMT's. Its more of a site that allows some people feel superior to others. I see no respect for others on this site, I just see a place for people to puff up their chests and "prove" who they are. I see no brotherhood here, only attitudes and Im much to old to play those games. That being said enjoy your life and work, I'll stick to those who I know and respect.
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No, this site is for all levels of EMS, and for those interested in EMS.

Our site is also full of type A personalities. This has pros and cons.

But after being a member of this site for over six years now I will say that there are perceptions of attitudes here because people are passionate. They believe in what they believe in and, being a discussion forum, have no other way to express their beliefs than through written word.

This thread is filled with passion and as long as it remains within the boundaries of our rules will stay open.

RiverpirateEMT, feel free to PM me if you have any concerns. That goes for everyone else as well.

Now, back on topic....
 
RiverpirateEMT said:
I just realized something about this site. After reading multiple threads and their responses i see this isnt a site "for" all EMT's. Its more of a site that allows some people feel superior to others. I see no respect for others on this site, I just see a place for people to puff up their chests and "prove" who they are. I see no brotherhood here, only attitudes and Im much to old to play those games. That being said enjoy your life and work, I'll stick to those who I know and respect.
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You obviously have not visited many EMS sites. This is the friendliest one I have ever found, in fact way to often I get sick at how much I have to sugar coat my true feelings in order to comply with the rules.

The majority of people that survive in EMS have dominate personalities, and often it comes across as or seems to be rude or "Paragod". If you choose to limit yourself to those just like you, you will fail to grow as a person and as a patient care provider.
 
EMS49393 said:
Since he won't answer it, I will. It's clearly Pennsylvania.

Parasite,

I've worked on a MICU and a squad out here and honestly, I don't NEED an EMT. I need a driver and a patient transport person, hell, an orderly would do. I'm not a wilting flower, I can carry my own equipment.

As for doing all the ALS assist stuff, you can keep it. I am just as capable of putting a patient on oxygen as you are and more likely to make the correct clinical judgment as to how much oxygen they actually require. I run my own EKGs because not one EMT I have met here knows how to place a 12 lead, so I'm sure no one could place a 15 or 18 lead for me. Worse then not knowing, they refuse to ask and learn! Bottom line, I can do the patient care on my own, and I have been doing it on my own since I left my double medic system.

Now, if an EMT cares to check their God-like saving paramedic butt attitude with the lovely blonde at the coat counter, I'll be more then happy to let them engage in patient care. If not, well, they can get up front and drive. I do most of my magic while I'm rolling anyway.

And that degree crap you're spewing... my Mom is a very well educated RN, you know with a degree and stuff. In fact she's brilliant, with geriatrics and psychiatric patients. She'll be the first to tell you that she is unable to handle emergency medicine. She's educated enough to know what she does not know. Now that is a brilliant health care provider.
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Wow do your uniforms come with the big "S" on the chest or do you guys have a phone booth in your station?

And give me five minutes before you reply I want to get my chair and a notebook and hear all about this magic you speak of.


Anyways as has been said its guaranteed at some point you are going to run into someone who is a little too big for their britches, be professional and handle the aspects of your job and you will be fine.
 
I don't care how much of a machine you are, you can't be as effective alone as you'll be with at least an EMT partner. Things just aren't going to get done as quickly. If that partner is a medic, they become more useful after the initial BLS interventions, since you can get multiple ALS interventions done at the same time. Things work even better if you have two medics and an EMT. The EMT can do the BLS stuff, and the medics can do multiple ALS interventions. Each configuration works faster than the other. It's not so much about whether you're capable of doing everything youreslf; it's about how to get things done as efficiently (quickly) as possible. If it's not a time sensitive pt, it's a moot point. You can work by yourself and take as long as you want.
 
RiverpirateEMT said:
I just realized something about this site. After reading multiple threads and their responses i see this isnt a site "for" all EMT's. Its more of a site that allows some people feel superior to others. I see no respect for others on this site, I just see a place for people to puff up their chests and "prove" who they are. I see no brotherhood here, only attitudes and Im much to old to play those games. That being said enjoy your life and work, I'll stick to those who I know and respect.
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46Young said:
I don't care how much of a machine you are, you can't be as effective alone as you'll be with at least an EMT partner. Things just aren't going to get done as quickly. If that partner is a medic, they become more useful after the initial BLS interventions, since you can get multiple ALS interventions done at the same time. Things work even better if you have two medics and an EMT. The EMT can do the BLS stuff, and the medics can do multiple ALS interventions. Each configuration works faster than the other. It's not so much about whether you're capable of doing everything youreslf; it's about how to get things done as efficiently (quickly) as possible. If it's not a time sensitive pt, it's a moot point. You can work by yourself and take as long as you want.
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I like three. Sadly economics will keep it from becoming the standard.
 
medic417 said:
I like three. Sadly economics will keep it from becoming the standard.
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I like three as well. I thought that we were badass back in the day as a NYC double medic unit, that just the two of us could handle most anything. We did strong work, but having that third person makes things so much better. I didn't realize this until I starting working at my FD. I think an extra three or four person crew is overkill, but having a medic intern ride with us is plenty enough help. Having the third gives you a driver and there will always be two providers riding with the pt, which I feel is ideal. The crew leader can enter info and call the hospital, and the pt get undivided attention from the other provider. For lifting, you'll always have a spotter to help the two that are lifting down the stairs.
 
46Young said:
I like three as well. I thought that we were badass back in the day as a NYC double medic unit, that just the two of us could handle most anything. We did strong work, but having that third person makes things so much better. I didn't realize this until I starting working at my FD. I think an extra three or four person crew is overkill, but having a medic intern ride with us is plenty enough help. Having the third gives you a driver and there will always be two providers riding with the pt, which I feel is ideal. The crew leader can enter info and call the hospital, and the pt get undivided attention from the other provider. For lifting, you'll always have a spotter to help the two that are lifting down the stairs.
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I've always felt that the intent of the law/rule makers when they wrote that 2 certified people be on the ambulance was that 2 certified people be with patient. But since they did not clarify and say that now we have what we have.
 
Hello all, as you can see I am brand new to the forum however not so much to the world of medics, emt's, ccm's and so on. First of all, respect is earned not given. In my opinion and it is that of many that I work with is that EMT's are the back bone to the entire system of EMS. Without them the system falls apart. The other day I was talking to a good friend of mine about this same topic. He, a CCM-P, told me how he lacked respect of an EMT for years, and that it wasnt until he got his paramedic that he really realized how vital Basics are to the system.
Now I know lazy EMT-I's and EMT-P's that should be shot. I have had medic's choose to ride with me over another medic. This is because you have to show them what you know. A good seasoned EMS provider is able to asses the call, make a plan and put that plan to work with little hesitation. My partner and I need to talk very little to each other on a call, I know what he wants done and he knows what I expect from him. We joke constantly about him being a medic and me being a basic. For example, "hey kevin, its a good thing I'm with you today cause if it were two of you ALS guys you guys wouldn't be lifting anything" and his come back " good thing we're ALS so we might get out the door once today". This is a great relationship. We are always joking with each other and always laughing about everything EMS until a call, then its PT care first.
How to address your issue...
I would personally ignore him till I get paired with him. Then talk to him, not about his view's but what he expects on calls. Then tell him what your capable of doing. No good medics going to be mad if you ask first. Then prove your self. Do what is asked of you on calls and preform to your best. Believe it or not I have turned a Paramedic who at 0600 one day was cursing my existence to the next day at 0600 thanking me for being so helpful. And if none of this works try the old EMS trick... KILL THEM WITH KINDNESS!
 
I can't stand medics who "big league" EMT-Bs. I have worked as a basic with medics that were total jerks to me because I was educationally inferior to them. I have also worked with medics who went out of their way to be nice and help me learn.
I never understood the superiority complex that some medics have towards their basic counterparts. Paramedic school for most parts of the U.S. is about 1 calendar year. Sure, we learn quite a bit about patient care, drugs, etc., but it is really only one more year of training. To think that paramedics are so high and above EMTs is laughable.
I am a paramedic now, but as soon as I find myself berating an EMT-B because I am so highly superior to them, I think it is time to find a new profession.
EMTs serve an invaluable and integral part of pre-hospital EMS. Remember, all paramedics started as EMTs.
 
medic417 said:
Actually that is not correct. There are exceptions to that.:o
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I agree. Some of the schools in our area have gone to if you got the money we have the time. I have had riders from one school that have no idea how to work a stretcher. I have asked our managers to let the school know their traing program sucks.

On the other hand the schools that require you to be an EMT or take an operations traing have a higher level of students.
 
cruiseforever said:
I agree. Some of the schools in our area have gone to if you got the money we have the time. I have had riders from one school that have no idea how to work a stretcher. I have asked our managers to let the school know their traing program sucks.

On the other hand the schools that require you to be an EMT or take an operations traing have a higher level of students.
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Not excusing mills but....

Why is working a stretcher ANY measure of knowledge. Neither service in this area allows students to handle stretchers, so it's understandable they wouldn't know how. This is something that should be covered in new employee training/orientation.

I would take a student who has a firm grasp on pharmacology, A&P, pathophysiology and MEDICAL psychomotor skills that can't work a stretcher over an "experienced" Basic who can't articulate the above concepts and is chock full of bad habits. I can train you easily on operational concepts.
 
usalsfyre said:
Not excusing mills but....

Why is working a stretcher ANY measure of knowledge. Neither service in this area allows students to handle stretchers, so it's understandable they wouldn't know how. This is something that should be covered in new employee training/orientation.

I would take a student who has a firm grasp on pharmacology, A&P, pathophysiology and MEDICAL psychomotor skills that can't work a stretcher over an "experienced" Basic who can't articulate the above concepts and is chock full of bad habits. I can train you easily on operational concepts.
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At hour school we were required to do 50 stretcher lifts in and out of there little fake ambulance before going on a clinical. BUT still we weren't allowed to touch them while actually on the clinical.
 
I embrace snobby Medics.

Because when they do acknowledge me, thank me, compliment me, invite me to ride in their rig...I know I did something right. They are not doing any of those things to be nice.
 
CANMAN13 said:
I asked if she knew how to change the O2 bottle. She said yes, long story short she had no clue and I had to do it after the rest of the things I was doing. Prime example of how I was counting on someone to deliver a basic skill and they couldn't accomplish that for me.
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ok that all comes down to the training they have taken. my EMT School had us test out of every skill before we could go out to the field obviously it was her schools fault for not training her for the Field. Just Saying
 
We dont have this problem as we only have paramedics, trainee paramedics and a small number of intensive care paramedics. :P
 
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