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You still have some toolbag co-workers, though?We dont have this problem as we only have paramedics, trainee paramedics and a small number of intensive care paramedics.
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Sasha
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Nope, they're doing it so they don't have to clean up afterwards!
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I helped a medic work a trauma code the other day in an ER ambulance bay. His EMT vanished trying to find help inside the ER because he had two PTs (the primary pt crashed en route). Don't ask me why they lolligagged, I just knew he needed help and quick so I provided it and did what he asked of me. He was from a different service. When it was all said and done, not only did he not thank me but he grunted and turned away at the sight of me in the ER. I have never been so appalled in my life.
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The worst people I struggle working with are other EMTs who feel that being an EMT is beneath them and that they really should be a paramedic with the scope of practice of an intensivist. Those people drive me nuts, and are often the ones who freak out when their BLS patient suddenly goes ALS.
MICU Nurses on the other hand, I've had very few good experiences with them. I had a Nurse one time that I started referring to as "doctor" becuase that is what he thought of himself. It is always interesting when their patient goes south and they don't have a doctor and 30 other specialists there to back them up.
MICU Nurses on the other hand, I've had very few good experiences with them. I had a Nurse one time that I started referring to as "doctor" becuase that is what he thought of himself. It is always interesting when their patient goes south and they don't have a doctor and 30 other specialists there to back them up.
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My former service routinely had two paramedics on a truck. Now that we've merged with another service and are significantly larger, it's much less common, but it still happens. The side benefit is we now always have a supervisor or two for back-up.
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Well I work for a paid company and work with a paramedic, and while I get upset sometimes that I don't get to take a certain call cause of things I think I can do i know he has his reasoning behind it.
Like I know I get upset when he says something like if it wasn't an airway problem it would be yours and my first thought is, "isn't that why I have a combi tube"
He does come off like it he a know it all, and flawless but he will tell you himself, that he is not, and that I the basic have saved him many times.
So I have to agree with some of the other posts that they may come off like that sometimes without meaning to, or not realizing that its coming off that way.
But there are probably some that think there S*** don't smell as well.
Like I know I get upset when he says something like if it wasn't an airway problem it would be yours and my first thought is, "isn't that why I have a combi tube"
He does come off like it he a know it all, and flawless but he will tell you himself, that he is not, and that I the basic have saved him many times.
So I have to agree with some of the other posts that they may come off like that sometimes without meaning to, or not realizing that its coming off that way.
But there are probably some that think there S*** don't smell as well.
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Just ignore them. If you can report them to their superiors report them. Abusive EMT are common nowadays.
Just ignore them. If you can report them to their superiors report them. Abusive EMT are common nowadays.
Good post
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This is my first EMTLife post. Read on.
I've been lurking on these forums for a few months now as part of my research on what "EMT life" - with other EMS personnel - is like, as I am considering civilian involvement in the field now that I'm semi-retired.
Following this particular thread has been quite an eye opener, and I think it behooves all of you to take note:
You've lost your way.
You cannot actually comprehend, I fear, how immature, insecure, and adolescent the vast majority of you "licensed professionals" sound to someone outside your EMS environment.
After serving twelve years at Yokota Air Base as a C4 Commander I've watched plenty of LDOs jumping on top of line officers the first chance they can because of their additional "training" - and you know what happens? They get their as*es handed to them and find they don't progress much farther.
Pubescent p*ssing matches show how low they don't grow, boys.
The most humble and sincere of your bunch seem to be the NJ men. To you I say keep up the respect for your colleagues and the reverence for your work and don't mind a lick of what the Calibrats and others are chafing about on these forums.
The rest of you should look in the mirror and ask yourselves what makes you feel like a man when you see your face in the morning. If it's that EMT-P "license" - as opposed to how you treat your fellow man regardless of his education, training, or experience level - you have a reckoning headed your way.
I've been lurking on these forums for a few months now as part of my research on what "EMT life" - with other EMS personnel - is like, as I am considering civilian involvement in the field now that I'm semi-retired.
Following this particular thread has been quite an eye opener, and I think it behooves all of you to take note:
You've lost your way.
You cannot actually comprehend, I fear, how immature, insecure, and adolescent the vast majority of you "licensed professionals" sound to someone outside your EMS environment.
After serving twelve years at Yokota Air Base as a C4 Commander I've watched plenty of LDOs jumping on top of line officers the first chance they can because of their additional "training" - and you know what happens? They get their as*es handed to them and find they don't progress much farther.
Pubescent p*ssing matches show how low they don't grow, boys.
The most humble and sincere of your bunch seem to be the NJ men. To you I say keep up the respect for your colleagues and the reverence for your work and don't mind a lick of what the Calibrats and others are chafing about on these forums.
The rest of you should look in the mirror and ask yourselves what makes you feel like a man when you see your face in the morning. If it's that EMT-P "license" - as opposed to how you treat your fellow man regardless of his education, training, or experience level - you have a reckoning headed your way.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAH That is the funniest post of all time. Who are you really? Did you not know it is against policy to have multiple accounts? And multiple personality disorder does not qualify one for multiple accounts, trust me my personalities attempted it.
I agree with you about the contentious tone of many of our discussions, and the unfavorable impressions outsiders might develop about our industry. One of the problems, I think, is respondents who generalize about the tendencies of large groups, then offer unsolicited advice tainted by sarcasm, self-indulgence, and hypocrisy.
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Say WHAAAT? :huh:
Working as a team is definitely important, but this sounds like a rather arrogant statement...
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But JP you're forgetting the fact that once a paramedic has all that "book learning" they forget how to do all that simple stuff they learned as a basic. That's why a medic HAS to have a basic with them. All the learning in the world won't help if they can't get the patient into the ambulance!
Can't you picture an all paramedic crew sitting there next to an unconscious patient on the sidewalk saying to each other "Now just how the hell are we supposed to get this patient into our ambulance?!" :unsure:
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Give me one situation where a Paramedic / Paramedic configuration or a Paramedic / RN configuration cannot do the exact same thing (and in most cases more, where medically necessary) than a Paramedic with an EMT-B..
Your logic is severely flawed.
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All Paramedic services in the State of Wisconsin that were providing ALS prior to 2001 MUST be a 2 Paramedic rig, period.
Also, in Wisconsin, all levels of EMS are Licensed though the State, then Credentialed through their service and service Medical Director.
To be a good Paramedic, you need to first be a great Basic.
You don't need squat to be a *edited* Paramedic though, except a bad attitude and a lack of compassion- which coincidentally is the same recipe for a sh!tty Basic.
My Basic and/or Intermediate partners thankfully are all awesome, and always eager to learn, and have great skills. You give what you get and you get what you give. This is a Team sport, and every single call can be a teachable moment if you open your mind instead of your mouth, and let it happen.
The Paragod attitude is something that old Paramedics fall back on when they can't remember why they do what they do, and it is a facade for those new medics that can't accept the fact that they are truly clueless. Paragods need to have their licenses revoked, because it is no longer about the patient for them, it is about themselves and their egos. Then there are the Critical Care Basics... those who think that they know it all, and when the Paramedic does something different, they come onto a website and *EDITED* and moan about Paramedics with attitudes instead of taking the time to learn what the Paramedic was doing and why.
Oh, and Hi there! I am new here!
Also, in Wisconsin, all levels of EMS are Licensed though the State, then Credentialed through their service and service Medical Director.
To be a good Paramedic, you need to first be a great Basic.
You don't need squat to be a *edited* Paramedic though, except a bad attitude and a lack of compassion- which coincidentally is the same recipe for a sh!tty Basic.
My Basic and/or Intermediate partners thankfully are all awesome, and always eager to learn, and have great skills. You give what you get and you get what you give. This is a Team sport, and every single call can be a teachable moment if you open your mind instead of your mouth, and let it happen.
The Paragod attitude is something that old Paramedics fall back on when they can't remember why they do what they do, and it is a facade for those new medics that can't accept the fact that they are truly clueless. Paragods need to have their licenses revoked, because it is no longer about the patient for them, it is about themselves and their egos. Then there are the Critical Care Basics... those who think that they know it all, and when the Paramedic does something different, they come onto a website and *EDITED* and moan about Paramedics with attitudes instead of taking the time to learn what the Paramedic was doing and why.
Oh, and Hi there! I am new here!
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So I'm not a good Paramedic?
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Also, to add to Linuss' question, what about the many RNs who bridge to medic? I completed a full EMT-IV and EMT-P program, and then completed a full BSN program, but I will be the first to brag on some of the fantastic providers that I have seen out there that did not take the traditional path to paramedic.
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Are you a great Basic?
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Wisconsin actually got rid of test out RN to Paramedic because it was apparent that it was not working here. They found that the Basic skills were lacking. Now in Wisconsin, an RN can run as a Basic after going to an EMT Basic class. After that they can operate at the Intermediate level too, and then they can take a separate course for the ALS Prehospital aspects not taught in Nursing school to be able to operate as Paramedics.
With that said, RNs are not worth a **** without Basic skills either. Basic skills are not defined by an EMT Basic class, they are defined by your Patient Care.
And yes, some of the best providers I have ever met also did not take the traditional route, but they do have great Basic Skills, and they are absolutely needed to be able to provide good ALS.
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Yeah, and what happens in Wisconsin applies everywhere else in the country or the world. :wacko:
If I was you, I'd avoid making blanket statements like yours that you aren't going to be able to prove outside of a limited area.