I'm not sure I want to call myself a Texan anymore.

I watched trhe video. Half-baked drug search (why bra edging was slid). Notice they made sure the searches were done in front of the dashcam. There is always context, but this looks like things were just done wrong and someone sent it viral. What was the pretext for the pullover? Obviously hoping to smoke out (pun unintended) a drug bust.

This was not a cavity search, but an invasive public pat-down.
 
mycrofft said:
This was not a cavity search, but an invasive public pat-down.
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When the officer's fingers entered the subjects' anus and vagina, using the same glove for both :o, I think it qualifies as a cavity search. IMO
 
Chase said:
When the officer's fingers entered the subjects' anus and vagina, using the same glove for both :o, I think it qualifies as a cavity search. IMO
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I don't believe they should have been pulled out and searched like that for throwing a cigarette butt out the window, but by the video, you can't tell if anyones fingers enter their anus or vagina.
That said, my BIGGEST pet peeve is A-Holes who think the world is their ashtray and chuck their butts out the window. They should have been shot.
 
shfd739 said:
How many people are going to refuse a search though? The average citizen doesn't know when they can and cannot refuse a search. Even if they know that doesn't mean they want to step into the mess that will come with refusing a search. Refusing a search could potentially unleash even more untoward actions.

We should be able to trust that the police are doing the right thing and aren't overstepping their boundaries or laws. Cops aren't above the law and they aren't untouchable.
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You're right. Not too many people know. And that is a shame. Everybody should know their rights and how/web to use them. This is a great example of citizens not know their rights. And cops will lie to you just to get consent for a search. I find that disgraceful.
 
Wouldn't refusing the search probably have just gotten them arrested?
 
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Refusing a field (non-cavity) search before you go into MY patrol car's back seat will get you tossed onto the hood of the car before you get searched. Not going to be backshot for being sensitive.
We had a jail officer once who matriculated to the street. Got a reputation for stripping out cars he stopped for anything, and he made a LOT of stops; then, drive away leaving the car and driver there with spare tire, back seat, trash, etc on the sidewalk and in the gutter.
He was back with us fairly soon, something about death threats.
 
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Every group has members that do horrible/immoral things. Don't let others' actions affect your own pride in being a Texan. Stay true to your roots and let the bad ones get what they deserve eventually.
 
WoW. All I can say is if they did that to my wife or daughter, they would have me behind bars. Whatever their reasons this does NOT justify doing that along side of the road. I don't care much for law suits but these girls deserve to win big. Patdowns,..OK but that was a violation on both ladies even if they did find dope in the car or on their person. They live and walk all around us. :wacko::wacko:
 
If you watch the officers they don't act as though this is anything out of the ordinary whatsoever. The fact that it is done right in front of the camera without the slightest hesitation by the officers tells me that they have done this before and nothing was done about it. Probably the people it was done to didn't file a complaint. Folks this is basically sexual assault and many sexual assaults go unreported because the victims are afraid or ashamed. I imagine there will be a great deal of dash cam footage reviewed and it will be very interesting to see how many of these illegal searches "aka sexual assaults" occurred prior to this one being reported. At least I hope that it is reviewed but I've seen so many gross abuses of power and failures in the justice system herenin Texas that I suspect very little will change.

I find comments like "this wasn't a cavity search they just checked the outer crevices" and the like very disturbing. When did placing just the tip of your finger in a person become less "bad" then using the entire finger.
 
bigbaldguy said:
I find comments like "this wasn't a cavity search they just checked the outer crevices" and the like very disturbing. When did placing just the tip of your finger in a person become less "bad" then using the entire finger.
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I missed the part of the video where you see any part of any finger penetrate anyone. Can you post the time so I can go refresh my memory?

I agree this was improperly handled but we only have their word that they were penetrated.
 
medic417 said:
I missed the part of the video where you see any part of any finger penetrate anyone. Can you post the time so I can go refresh my memory?

I agree this was improperly handled but we only have their word that they were penetrated.
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:huh: So you think the whole hand down the pants with the second woman for 5 seconds with shoving and the pushing movement toward the woman was just what exactly? This cop performed an illegal search with complete and horrific disregard for the privacy and total disrespect of the women involved but I'm supposed to believe the two women made up the fact that they were penetrated. Sorry but I'm gonna have to believe the women on this one seeing as the officers involved arent looking like terribly reliable sources at this point. No this wasn't an actual body cavity search. As someone pointed out that requires considerably more than what occurred here, but watching the video of the second woman being searched I don't find it at all unreasonable that what the woman described as occurring did indeed occur.
 
Again probable yes, definitive no. Were the cops wrong? Hell yes.
 
I think we can agree it was wrong, apparently repercussions were not feared, and bad judgement was exhibited.
 
shfd739 said:
How many people are going to refuse a search though? The average citizen doesn't know when they can and cannot refuse a search. Even if they know that doesn't mean they want to step into the mess that will come with refusing a search. Refusing a search could potentially unleash even more untoward actions.
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There is an old saying: if you are innocent, than you have nothing to hide, so why would you object to a search? and if you do object to a search, what are you hiding?

and your right, refusing a search can be interpreted mean you committed the crime of contempt of cop. Cop asks you to do something, you refuse, now instead of getting a warning, you are getting as many tickets as he or she wants, often with no proof other than the cops word. It's your word against the cops, and who is the local judge (who knows the cop) going to believe?

What bothers me the most is that not one did one cop think this was necessary, but two. The original cop who pulled them over, and the female cop was special called to violate both women with the same glove. Not like it was 2 partners, two independent officers. how messed up is the Texas state police that two separate officers think this is acceptable?

and medic417, if they weren't penetrated, than the cop had a really good feel up on the front and back, esp for the amount of movement and time spent. If I were to do that to a girl, she would expect dinner and drinks first.

Both cops should be terminated, and both should be criminally charged with sexual assault. But I have a sad feeling that they will be criminally cleared, as "they were just doing a very thorough job", or at least that is what the investigation will conclude.
 
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