EMT Oath- My problem

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akflightmedic said:
Three bold points for you to review:

1. Ummm NO!!! As a routine Paramedic, I will NEVER EVER be willing to give my life to anyone who calls. EVER! My children and GF deserve to have me around for a few more years. Our job is already risky enough, I will not intentionally risk or give my life for a citizen from a 911 call.

2. YOU are sofa king dangerous with this statement. If you EVER try to commit me to an unsafe scene that clearly you were not qualified or trained to be in, you are gonna be rushing to save that life all by yourself, and then when you get done I am going to kick your astroid.

3. NO! You flippantly throwing that phrase around and willy nilly wish to "borrow" it, means you have absolutely zero clue what that phrase means. It is disrespectful for you to even say you would want to take it for EMS.
CCCSD said:
So nobody at the hospital was capable of dealing with some bullet holes?
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Nope, they were busy performing surgery in a most inopportune place, and needed a piece of equipment we had on our unit to move the PTs to a proper surgical suite.
akflightmedic said:
Three bold points for you to review:

1. Ummm NO!!! As a routine Paramedic, I will NEVER EVER be willing to give my life to anyone who calls. EVER! My children and GF deserve to have me around for a few more years. Our job is already risky enough, I will not intentionally risk or give my life for a citizen from a 911 call.

2. YOU are sofa king dangerous with this statement. If you EVER try to commit me to an unsafe scene that clearly you were not qualified or trained to be in, you are gonna be rushing to save that life all by yourself, and then when you get done I am going to kick your astroid.

3. NO! You flippantly throwing that phrase around and willy nilly wish to "borrow" it, means you have absolutely zero clue what that phrase means. It is disrespectful for you to even say you would want to take it for EMS.

And PLEASE stop all the fooking heroics and martyrdom BS. This entire post is ridiculous and NOT what we need in Professional EMS.
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...And you call yourself, "bold." Why does it bother you so much that I would give my all to save someone weighing the risks first. My partner gave me thet, "It's your decision" look and I made the call as was my job. We didn't do the task alone, we had a full police escort and they were armed with M-16s and shotguns as well as side arms. Completely surrounded with firepower, we did the best we could. I also knew the nurses, as did my partner, so we went. Now you can worry all you want about the safety issues, but in this case we made sure the deck was as stacked in our favor as much as possible. And, gee, the risk paid off, I lived long in my career and made it to retirement. BTW, if you want "safe" I believe the "alphabet" ambulance service hires guys to clean and stock rigs, that would be a good safe place to start if you're risk averse. EMS is dangerous work. Period.
 
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CCCSD said:
So nobody at the hospital was capable of dealing with some bullet holes?
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They were definitely dealing with the wounds. The surgical team requested our assistance via LAPD and our dispatch concurred. The surgeons and nurses were performing surgery inside of an office and needed a piece of equipment we carried on the ambulance to provide continuous suction as they attempted to move to a proper surgical suite without the need to stop at each electrical outlet to power their suction equipment on the run. If we hadn't at least tried, I would have never been able to live with myself. My partner agreed with my decision and willingly gave it a go as we knew both of the victims.
 
EMS is dangerous enough without adding to it.
 
E tank said:
You're confusing an opinion with truth.
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Opinions can be truth. We are talking about a philosophy here.

Ethics, also called moral philosophy, the discipline concerned with what is morally good and bad and morally right and wrong. The term is also applied to any system or theory of moral values or principles. -Britannica

Ethics is not a science. Does not have a litmus test.
Understood as equivalent to morality, ethics could be studied as a social-psychological or historical phenomenon, but in that case it would be an object of social-scientific study, not a social science in itself. Understood as the philosophical study of moral concepts, ethics is a branch of philosophy, not of social science.
ffemt8978 said:
EMS is dangerous enough without adding to it.
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Anyone else has done chest compressions with high speed traffic zooming past a few inches from your hiney... or equivalnet?
 
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Unfortunately and not for very long
 
CarSevenFour said:
They were definitely dealing with the wounds. The surgical team requested our assistance via LAPD and our dispatch concurred. The surgeons and nurses were performing surgery inside of an office and needed a piece of equipment we carried on the ambulance to provide continuous suction as they attempted to move to a proper surgical suite without the need to stop at each electrical outlet to power their suction equipment on the run. If we hadn't at least tried, I would have never been able to live with myself. My partner agreed with my decision and willingly gave it a go as we knew both of the victims.
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Link to this incident? News, etc.
 
CCCSD said:
Link to this incident? News, etc.
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I agree. I’m calling BS too. I used to work and live in LA and never heard anything like this ever. Still know a few guys out there and they’d have heard about something like this.
 
CarSevenFour said:
They were definitely dealing with the wounds. The surgical team requested our assistance via LAPD and our dispatch concurred. The surgeons and nurses were performing surgery inside of an office and needed a piece of equipment we carried on the ambulance to provide continuous suction as they attempted to move to a proper surgical suite without the need to stop at each electrical outlet to power their suction equipment on the run. If we hadn't at least tried, I would have never been able to live with myself. My partner agreed with my decision and willingly gave it a go as we knew both of the victims.
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let me see if I have this right... you were at a shooting AT A HOSPITAL, where the surgeon and nurse were performing surgery in an OFFICE, while the shooter was still at large, and they needed an EMS portable suction because THERE WERE NONE IN THE HOSPITAL, so instead of just giving it to the cops to DELIVER IT, you and your partner needed to HAND-DELIVER IT TO THE DOCTOR while they were still looking for the shooter?

This sounds like BS... a link would be great to verify what happened... maybe you can just provide the approximate date that the incident occurred, so those in the area can ask around? but there are too many red flags for me to believe that you aren't making that all up without actual proof.
 
CarSevenFour said:
They were definitely dealing with the wounds. The surgical team requested our assistance via LAPD and our dispatch concurred. The surgeons and nurses were performing surgery inside of an office and needed a piece of equipment we carried on the ambulance to provide continuous suction as they attempted to move to a proper surgical suite without the need to stop at each electrical outlet to power their suction equipment on the run. If we hadn't at least tried, I would have never been able to live with myself. My partner agreed with my decision and willingly gave it a go as we knew both of the victims.
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You sound like a guy who applied to be a PJ but was ineligible to join the military.
 
For the record I’m armed with my cutting whit.
 
Seems to me this all boils down to the dignity of the individual. Without dignity and self respect an oath is meaningless. With them an oath is unnecessary.

As a post script, the political circus in the US the past few years has clearly demonstrated even under penalty of perjury an oath isn't worth the effort to push it out the rear vent.
 
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CCCSD said:
Link to this incident? News, etc.
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ffemt8978 said:
I prefer the D cylinder.
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Fezman92 said:
DrParasite said:
let me see if I have this right... you were at a shooting AT A HOSPITAL, where the surgeon and nurse were performing surgery in an OFFICE, while the shooter was still at large, and they needed an EMS portable suction because THERE WERE NONE IN THE HOSPITAL, so instead of just giving it to the cops to DELIVER IT, you and your partner needed to HAND-DELIVER IT TO THE DOCTOR while they were still looking for the shooter?

This sounds like BS... a link would be great to verify what happened... maybe you can just provide the approximate date that the incident occurred, so those in the area can ask around? but there are too many red flags for me to believe that you aren't making that all up without actual proof.
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luke_31 said:
I agree. I’m calling BS too. I used to work and live in LA and never heard anything like this ever. Still know a few guys out there and they’d have heard about something like this.
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To all you naysayers, you must either be probies or work IN REAL SLOW STATIONS. I've heard a lot more far-fetched stories in my nearly 30-year career than this one. Get a job in the big city and see what real EMS work is really like.
 
CarSevenFour said:
To all you naysayers, you must either be probies or work IN REAL SLOW STATIONS. I've heard a lot more far-fetched stories in my nearly 30-year career than this one. Get a job in the big city and see what real EMS work is really like.
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Only 30 years..? Ok newby. I’ve done more “real EMS” INCONUS and OCONUS in places and situations you’d cry at, (as have a few others on here), so cool your jets.
Nothing in that article says anything about D Platoon asking you for your expertise in carrying a portable suction unit to save lives...
 
CCCSD said:
Only 30 years..? Ok newby. I’ve done more “real EMS” INCONUS and OCONUS in places and situations you’d cry at, (as have a few others on here), so cool your jets.
Nothing in that article says anything about D Platoon asking you for your expertise in carrying a portable suction unit to save lives...
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INCONUS and OCONUS?
 
Ah ok, thanks.
 
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