NomadicMedic
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My regional council is getting 100% behind this project. It’s a fantastic idea…
I do agree. This can be as bad as volunteer/off duty responders showing up to assist, in inappropriate attire (yes, I've seen it happen), or in various states of competancy; the only saving grace is they will be showing up with an AED, which the patient didn't have access to previously. Good in theory, but I'm not sure how it would work out in practice. I could never understand why a good samaritan would argue with AHJ personnel (what's supposed to happen is EMS shows us, and then everyone else takes directions from the crew, including directions to leave), and if a citizen wants to argue, than LEO should escort them away.I think it's a cool idea, but I am concerned that these good Samaritans being dispatched might get in the way and think they have equal say in patient care. I think if the fire department or ambulance will be quicker or equal response time as the good Samaritan, the good Samaritan should not be dispatched. I know a crew that was running a cardiac arrest, a good Samaritan showed up with an AED, and there was a verbal altercation because the good Samaritan wanted the AED to be used instead of the LifePak.
Maybe they thought you were a corporate thief? Maybe they already had people doing CPR (if security is turning you away, I am assuming they are already handling the emergency)?A related issue that’s worth considering: I was in the building next to an actual arrest that triggered a pulse point alert in Savannah and I was denied entry into the business, even though I identified myself as an off duty paramedic. There was no EMS or law enforcement on scene. So, I turned around and left. If you don’t support these efforts with education, they are destined to fail.
If it is dispatch clicking a button to alert the good Samaritan, I think the dispatcher should assess if it is worth dispatching the good Samaritan of not. Implement the project still, but only utilized it if it's actually going to help, like if EMS/fire will be significantly slower than the good Samaritan.I don’t think the potential of a Good Samaritan arguing with EMS is a real reason for not starting a robust and GPS guided community CPR and AED program. Our plan is to work with Avive and distribute 200 AEDs in a pilot city and study the use and survival outcomes. Education is key.
Are these people still legally considered good samaritans if being dispatched to the call by 911 operator?
I do agree. This can be as bad as volunteer/off duty responders showing up to assist, in inappropriate attire (yes, I've seen it happen), or in various states of competancy; the only saving grace is they will be showing up with an AED, which the patient didn't have access to previously. Good in theory, but I'm not sure how it would work out in practice. I could never understand why a good samaritan would argue with AHJ personnel (what's supposed to happen is EMS shows us, and then everyone else takes directions from the crew, including directions to leave), and if a citizen wants to argue, than LEO should escort them away.
the cynic in me wants to say what happens if a cardiac arrest occurs, and one of the responding citizens has low moral standards, and decides to pocket the gold watch on the dresser while the family is distraught and EMS is doing CPR... who gets blamed?
Maybe they thought you were a corporate thief? Maybe they already had people doing CPR (if security is turning you away, I am assuming they are already handling the emergency)?
There are a lot of reasons why a business would not want a bunch of random people in their office. From a penetration testing perspective, that might be a great way to get into an office: have a 5 person team, call 911, trigger a pulse point alert, and have all 5 people show up, and then have one wander off and gain access to where they shouldn't. Could it happen? idk, but if you hear about it on https://darknetdiaries.com/....
I do think that deploying AEDs to major office buildings or areas of high population concentration, and developing a formal plan to cardiac arrest emergencies, including training and assigned responders, is a great idea.
I was thinking more along the lines of one of these good samaritans getting into an accident (their fault or thr other persons fault) while responding. You could bet good money that the 911 center and city/county will be named as defendents in the lawsuit.The idea is they have access to an AED that alerts them to an emergency near by. Same as a person shouting for help. Yes, still a Good Samaritan with no duty to act.
The difference being that they are responding because of an action by the 911 center, and not somebody shouting for help. This could be a fairly major distinction liability-wiseThe idea is they have access to an AED that alerts them to an emergency near by. Same as a person shouting for help. Yes, still a Good Samaritan with no duty to act.
Very good point. The GS Law is quite specific on that.Are these people still legally considered good samaritans if being dispatched to the call by 911 operator?
Not if they are “dispatched”. Then they are an agent if the Govt.The idea is they have access to an AED that alerts them to an emergency near by. Same as a person shouting for help. Yes, still a Good Samaritan with no duty to act.
It's not really any different than pulse point. Just seems the range is larger.The difference being that they are responding because of an action by the 911 center, and not somebody shouting for help. This could be a fairly major distinction liability-wise
And those questions have yet to be answered with Pulse Point either.It's not really any different than pulse point. Just seems the range is larger.
same as pulse point.Not if they are “dispatched”. Then they are an agent if the Govt.