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Did they teach you the concept of active listening in EMT class?
 
Seirende said:
Did they teach you the concept of active listening in EMT class?
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I didn't take an in person class. I got a textbook and teachers that took weeks to reply. I got taught minimally and it was on me to make sure I learned enough.

There's the part in the book about communication, sure.
 
DragonClaw said:
I didn't take an in person class. I got a textbook and teachers that took weeks to reply. I got taught minimally and it was on me to make sure I learned enough.

There's the part in the book about communication, sure.
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It might serve you to review some of those strategies. The basic point is listening to understand and to make the other person feel understood. One thing I would recommend is trying to state the other person's position back to them in such a way that they'll be able to say that you got what they were trying to say.
 
WOW!
 
Me to my cat: "Hey! You cannot have my pasta!"
 
Seirende said:
It might serve you to review some of those strategies. The basic point is listening to understand and to make the other person feel understood. One thing I would recommend is trying to state the other person's position back to them in such a way that they'll be able to say that you got what they were trying to say.
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Yeah but that implies that they want to talk to you on an adult level to begin with. I've tried a lot and I think it's wasted breath to fully engage that anymore.

I've tried so hard to have actual conversations for my point to be stepped over, contorted and invalidated to the point I think being cordial is as best as I can get from those who will never see me as equal, worthy or allowed to sit at the table with greatness.

It's a two way street.
 
DragonClaw said:
I'm not really sure what kind of wow that's supposed to be.

But it was online or waiting for another year. And with my situation, waiting could get me killed
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Nothing wrong with online. Its the way of the future, you successfully did it, and tou clearly have the drive to learn.
 
DragonClaw said:
Yeah but that implies that they want to talk to you on an adult level to begin with. I've tried a lot and I think it's wasted breath to fully engage that anymore.

I've tried so hard to have actual conversations for my point to be stepped over, contorted and invalidated to the point I think being cordial is as best as I can get from those who will never see me as equal, worthy or allowed to sit at the table with greatness.

It's a two way street.
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Communication is challenging and if nothing else trying a different approach would give you a chance to develop skills you can use in the field.
 
Too much pasta
 
GMCmedic said:
Nothing wrong with online. Its the way of the future, you successfully did it, and tou clearly have the drive to learn.
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I would have preferred in person, but because my hometown is so small, they shut down the local program when I was trying to enroll in it. And working overtime every week didn't yield me the time to go elsewhere.

For my medic, I'll do in person.

And yeah, I love to learn. I'm the kind of person who reads the dictionary, thesauruses (thesauri, manuals, for fun.)

Whenever people aren't too busy, I'll ask drs, nurses, other basics, medics questions.

I enjoy trying to become an expert in something. And it has nothing to do with ego, as people have improperly surmised. I just like to learn to be the best I can. For my patients, partner, peers, anyone. If I can be better, why shouldn't I be?

My own family doubted my ability to even get my cert, get a job or keep one. Not because they know me and are right, but because that's who they are to most people. It's rare to have someone to back my play, so here is no different.

I'll get my job done with or without help from others.

Growing up was tough and not all of us made it. And I was the only one to get a HS diploma, not be incarcerated or institutionalized. But it made me realize who was really in charge. Me.

Maybe it's because I couldn't depend on everyone else that I'm like this. Maybe it's because sometimes I wasn't sure if I'd even live to the next day I take things more seriously than I should. Maybe it's because questioning things or merely existing got you beatings that I realized I can't really trust anyone else to look after my best interests.

Underestimating me is one of the things I would advise against. Maybe I don't get it right the first time, but I keep getting up long after others think it's easier to stay down.

And eventually, I'm going to be the one who gets to decide who sits at the table.
 
Seirende said:
Too much pasta
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DragonClaw said:
I'm not really sure what kind of wow that's supposed to be.

But it was online or waiting for another year. And with my situation, waiting could get me killed
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As already stated, there is nothing wrong with taking an online program. It is becoming completely normal now. Are there issues with it? Yes. Are there benefits to it? Yes.

From what I have seen since you came on this forum is that you will ask a question or make a statement and then when someone responds you take it as a direct attack on you and what you believe when that was not the intent by anyone. I would not be surprised if this attitude bleeds over into your work life which is why you have found it very difficult to get along with anyone at your job. There should be a point where you sit down, relax, and think “what is the one common variable with all of the issues I have been having?”.

We are not saying you must follow what we are saying. We are simply giving you our viewpoints and we have learned over many years of being in this field. Should you follow what we say like the gospel? No. Should it trigger your mind to look more into what is being said? Yes.

No one is talking down on you because you are an EMT. We don’t care what color your patch is. Just because you are an EMT does not mean you are not able to grasp concepts. At the same time please remember that you have the bare minimum educational requirements, in some states, to be considered an EMT which means there is much to learn. I have always found the saying “You don’t know what you don’t know” to be very accurate while in this career field.

You may have heard it in school or maybe not but what happens and what is taught in school does not always equal what happens in the field. In EMT school and in all EMT textbooks I have ever read you are never to place a nasal cannula on anything above 6lpm. But then when you go into the field you may have a medic who will tell you “put it at 15lpm”. Is that wrong? By your education level, yes that is completely inappropriate. However at the ALS/CCT level depending on the circumstances that may 100% be appropriate.

Remember this is an online forum that is filled with professionals from all aspects of EMS and medicine. There are providers here who have 2 days of experience and there are others who have 40 years of experience. There are also trolls, with myself sometimes being included here. If you take everyone’s responses to your questions or statements as direct attacks against you, you are not going to end up in a good place.

Sit back, relax, crack a beer, smoke a doubie, do yoga, or whatever helps you to relax. If the post is not saying “hey you idiot, why are you such an idiot” please do not take it as a personal attack. Instead remember that it is another professional offering advice or another set of eyes. You can take it or leave it.
 
DesertMedic66 said:
I would not be surprised if this attitude bleeds over into your work life which is why you have found it very difficult to get along with anyone at your job.
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Irony aside

But.

What.What.

Where the heck do you get these falsities?

I do not find it difficult.

I was just in the sups (who was my FTO) office and she was telling me how many compliments she's gotten about me lately. How much I've grown and that I'm doing a good job.

I get messages from my coworkers asking for me to pull a shift with them because they enjoy working with me.

My partner wants to get a new job because of some stuff (unrelated to me) and wants me to go with him to the new company.

So just stop. Stop assuming. Stop creating dissention. Stop acting like I'm some failure based on what?

The two times I didn't get along with people that basically nobody gets along with?
 
DragonClaw said:
Irony aside

But.

What.What.

Where the heck do you get these falsities?

I do not find it difficult.

I was just in the sups (who was my FTO) office and she was telling me how many compliments she's gotten about me lately. How much I've grown and that I'm doing a good job.

I get messages from my coworkers asking for me to pull a shift with them because they enjoy working with me.

My partner wants to get a new job because of some stuff (unrelated to me) and wants me to go with him to the new company.

So just stop. Stop assuming. Stop creating dissention. Stop acting like I'm some failure based on what?

The two times I didn't get along with people that basically nobody gets along with?
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And this post right here just shows it...
 
DesertMedic66 said:
As already stated, there is nothing wrong with taking an online program. It is becoming completely normal now. Are there issues with it? Yes. Are there benefits to it? Yes.

From what I have seen since you came on this forum is that you will ask a question or make a statement and then when someone responds you take it as a direct attack on you and what you believe when that was not the intent by anyone. I would not be surprised if this attitude bleeds over into your work life which is why you have found it very difficult to get along with anyone at your job. There should be a point where you sit down, relax, and think “what is the one common variable with all of the issues I have been having?”.

We are not saying you must follow what we are saying. We are simply giving you our viewpoints and we have learned over many years of being in this field. Should you follow what we say like the gospel? No. Should it trigger your mind to look more into what is being said? Yes.

No one is talking down on you because you are an EMT. We don’t care what color your patch is. Just because you are an EMT does not mean you are not able to grasp concepts. At the same time please remember that you have the bare minimum educational requirements, in some states, to be considered an EMT which means there is much to learn. I have always found the saying “You don’t know what you don’t know” to be very accurate while in this career field.

You may have heard it in school or maybe not but what happens and what is taught in school does not always equal what happens in the field. In EMT school and in all EMT textbooks I have ever read you are never to place a nasal cannula on anything above 6lpm. But then when you go into the field you may have a medic who will tell you “put it at 15lpm”. Is that wrong? By your education level, yes that is completely inappropriate. However at the ALS/CCT level depending on the circumstances that may 100% be appropriate.

Remember this is an online forum that is filled with professionals from all aspects of EMS and medicine. There are providers here who have 2 days of experience and there are others who have 40 years of experience. There are also trolls, with myself sometimes being included here. If you take everyone’s responses to your questions or statements as direct attacks against you, you are not going to end up in a good place.

Sit back, relax, crack a beer, smoke a doubie, do yoga, or whatever helps you to relax. If the post is not saying “hey you idiot, why are you such an idiot” please do not take it as a personal attack. Instead remember that it is another professional offering advice or another set of eyes. You can take it or leave it.
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Now, for the rest.

I do not take offense to anything about comments regarding online classes, I've got my own share of gripes about it. That's a non issue.

So when I ask a question or a comment is made by me and people respond... the mood is generally less than... accepting of my questions to begin with. Either that it's something so basic that I should automatically know or it's above my scope or something not to worry about.

Disclaimer. My time here hasn't been 100% suffering within the 9 .. (7?) rings. I've gotten valuable advice and appreciate it. But it takes a lot of work and sometimes timing to get a genuine answer.

Again. You come swinging sword but refuse to admit maybe you came prepared for war on accident. It's just me pulling things out of hats.

Of course I look into what is said. There's reasons why you say it and that itself is of interest.

You sure like to throw the medic thing in my face even when not applicable.

I'm sure there's lots of things I haven't heard or don't know. And on medic/CCT calls people will make calls that I have yet to think of. One day I'll know it and be the one taking those calls.

I take the forum with salt. I see enough salt here to be able to use it as such. But there's still a lot of knowledge here. That I won't deny.

Are you really saying that unless someone directly uses an insult towards you it wasn't meant to be? People here often times won't be so honest in their approach. Better to snipe from the shadows.
 
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