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Hence why the quote you have says, "editing".
Online paramedic program?
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There goes me not paying attention again
JPINFV
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...but since it's likely to get looked over, I'll post it again.
EMS Online: 59% out of 22 students. Borderline.
Tech Pro Services: 67%, but only 6 students so not bad.
TEEX: 52% out of 112 students. Really bad.
The problem with 2 of the programs is one isn't nearly large enough to draw a conclusion off of and the other one is borderline. The smaller the denominator, the more useless a percent is for comparison. It's like complaining the school with 1 student sucks if that 1 student doesn't pass.
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EMS Online: 59% out of 22 students. Borderline.
Tech Pro Services: 67%, but only 6 students so not bad.
TEEX: 52% out of 112 students. Really bad.
The problem with 2 of the programs is one isn't nearly large enough to draw a conclusion off of and the other one is borderline. The smaller the denominator, the more useless a percent is for comparison. It's like complaining the school with 1 student sucks if that 1 student doesn't pass.
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^This does seem to demonstrate that their numbers are less than stellar. The lesson: online programs work for some, not for all, and perhaps not a majority. There are, however, students who are passing.
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That's passable. It's unknown how many more passed on the second try. I would be interested to see those numbers.
And of those who are passing, what is the quality? I have no way of knowing this answer.
I have talked with Medics who went to TEEX, or did Training Division. They stated they feel they are horribly under prepared to be a Medic.
But that is all here say...
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Presumably, by passing the exams they have demonstrated competency. This is the point of the exams. I'd enjoy to see their progress 3 months, 6 months and one year after passing the exams.
They don't post that, but they do post the Final passing number after all 3 attempts 86% (54/63)
I would consider it a failure if 71% passed first try, that is a very low number for a test as easy as the Natinal Registry.
I've seen it, it = bad
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86% pass after all three tries? That's pretty good.
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How many have you seen? Are you an FTO, ALS instructor, etc? By what objective criteria are you basing this assessment on?
I guess our opinions on this are worlds apart.
I would have to agree with JP that at least as far as TEEX is concerned, the numbers are alarming. If I saw a law school with a 52% first-time bar passage rate, I wouldn't go there. (Indeed, in doing some research, I was alarmed to find out that several law schools do have California Bar Exam passage rates this low. See the link here. However, some of the schools,at least La Verne, are not accredited by the ABA, only by the California Board of Bar Examiners. And I am somewhat cheered by the fact that of 185 law schools, you'd have to go to the 184th to find a bar passage rate among all graduates of worse than the 52% here. Anyway, moving on...)
JP, how would the AMA react to a medical school where 52% of students in a class passed their USMLE or COMLEX exams?
Like any licensing exam, the NREMT is supposed to be a test of baseline professional competence. So, TEEX is graduating students who are unprepared for even the most basic of paramedic skills. That's unfortunate.
What I'm curious to know is whether Texas, or the NREMT, is looking into this, or whether it is a matter of any concern at all. Or is it all on the students, who are simply not preparing. This is the problem with a retrospective analysis. We can't control the (many) variables.
JP, how would the AMA react to a medical school where 52% of students in a class passed their USMLE or COMLEX exams?
Like any licensing exam, the NREMT is supposed to be a test of baseline professional competence. So, TEEX is graduating students who are unprepared for even the most basic of paramedic skills. That's unfortunate.
What I'm curious to know is whether Texas, or the NREMT, is looking into this, or whether it is a matter of any concern at all. Or is it all on the students, who are simply not preparing. This is the problem with a retrospective analysis. We can't control the (many) variables.
Well, no one who has gone to one of these programs has ever passed the hiring process with our service, so FTO would not be an option. I see them on the fire side(which does not test your medical knowledge) I am an instructor, and I am basing this off of first hand account.
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So what you are saying is that you've never been in the position for formally evaluate them, either as their instructor or FTO. Right?
As far as the NR? I do not know, Texas has taken a step in the right direction by requiring all programs to be affiliated with a College.
This will not rid us of TEEX, but it will not allow for some online programs or these shanty start ups that are posting extremely low numbers.
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Considering a school can be put on probation simply for not having enough study space, probably a lot of bad things. Besides, with how connected premeds are through things like SDN, I imagine there would be few to little takers as most of that 52% wouldn't be eligible for non-primary care specialties anyways.
Correct, however living with them and running every call with them is exposure enough to be able to determine their competency.
Like I said, they do not work for us so I cannot FTO them. Also I do not work as an instructor for one of these low brow schools so I did not instruct them.
However I am an instructor for other schools so proper level and quality of instruction is not alien to me
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