Impact of 2020 Election on EMS?

mgr22

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Well, the one I'm most concerned about is the embrace of democratic socialism by voters under about 30 years old. Marxist ideology has become increasingly appealing to that demographic and is a significant component in the way the DNC has appealed to them.

Ok. The reason I asked is I'd just read an AP poll that showed Trump himself as the biggest issue for two-thirds of the voters. It's just one poll, but it came closest to my own opinion that we're voting mostly for or against Trump, with Biden and other issues secondary. I do agree socialism is one of those issues.
 

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Well, the one I'm most concerned about is the embrace of democratic socialism by voters under about 30 years old. Marxist ideology has become increasingly appealing to that demographic and is a significant component in the way the DNC has appealed to them.
I am not one of those people, but might the current political climate be why this appeals to them?
 

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It’s the teachings of over 30 years in schools and colleges, coupled with the narcissism rampant in younger generations that is creating this idiotic demand to go socialistic, without any real thought as to the people trapped in those countries who have fought and died to achieve freedom, and continue to die trying to obtain that democracy they so badly want.
 

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It’s the teachings of over 30 years in schools and colleges, coupled with the narcissism rampant in younger generations that is creating this idiotic demand to go socialistic, without any real thought as to the people trapped in those countries who have fought and died to achieve freedom, and continue to die trying to obtain that democracy they so badly want.
This is literally the attitude that disenfranchises the generation you blame so much of this country's woes on.
 

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Ok. The reason I asked is I'd just read an AP poll that showed Trump himself as the biggest issue for two-thirds of the voters. It's just one poll, but it came closest to my own opinion that we're voting mostly for or against Trump, with Biden and other issues secondary. I do agree socialism is one of those issues.
That is a fair assessment. however, I think Ben Shapiro sums up my feelings about the election because if Trump wasn't, well, Trump, it would be a much easier decision, because objectively, things improved for most Americans for the past 4 years (pre-pandemic, of course). And I'm positive that if HRC or Obama had been in the Whitehouse, the response would have been equally devastating for the economy.
"I have been very clear on my feelings about Donald Trump's character. I have serious reservations to say the least...," said Shapiro, but "you don't have to like Trump's character, you don't have to love his Twitter account to vote for him. You don't have to approve of the crazy or bad things that he says or the way he often acts."

"But," Shapiro concluded, "if you care about the Constitution, and economic freedom, and the security of the United States, you really don't have a whole hell of a lot of choice. You should vote for Trump."

I will also say as an underpaid person, I like interest rates being low, because it makes it easier for anyone to buy a house

A young and single newcomer to EMS, 18-25, might support Biden, because free education, free health insurance, and renting an apartment for housing are all things that Biden supports. But as someone who paid for their own 4-year degree (which has doubled in price since I graduated) gets health insurance from my employer (and doesn't need it from my part-time job), and just refinanced my mortgage (and cut 15 YEARS of my mortgage), I like having more money in my pocket due to lower taxes.

oh, and @Tigger, much of the political climate is being pushed by the Democrats, who still haven't recovered from the 2016 election loss, and have been actively obstructing the Republicans for the past 4 years. And much of the media have been assisting them and brainwashing the American public into believing many of their falsehoods and hoaxes. The Republicans haven't been helping the situation, but as a person who majored in history (and almost triple majored in Poly-Sci too, since so many classes were cross-listed) during undergrad, many of the socialism concepts are good in theory but end up failing miserably in practice.

OK no more political discussions from me.

Everyone stay safe in case of any protests or peaceful protests with arson, vandalism, and violence committed against members of law enforcement or the opposing parties.
 

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If Trump wins, I hope he sets up those jet fighters to fly over our hospitals again. It was super beneficial. Yay.

One last thing. Why aren’t folks investing? We all know EMS pay sucks. Yet many complain and opt to not invest in passive income? Lol
 

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If Trump wins, I hope he sets up those jet fighters to fly over our hospitals again. It was super beneficial. Yay.

One last thing. Why aren’t folks investing? We all know EMS pay sucks. Yet many complain and opt to not invest in passive income? Lol
For a lot of people, they simply don't have the income where they could invest and still pay their bills and feed their family.
 

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And now things will start slowly sliding down. Enjoy socialism. Don’t worry about pay and investments, Comrade.
 

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I am not one of those people, but might the current political climate be why this appeals to them?
Hard to say...I really think the university systems have been a factory run by middle aged white progressives. The indoctrination is really breathtaking if my college kid son is correct. I believe him. Don't think 'totalitarian' is too strong a word for these instructor's style of advancing their ideology.
 

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Hard to say...I really think the university systems have been a factory run by middle aged white progressives. The indoctrination is really breathtaking if my college kid son is correct. I believe him. Don't think 'totalitarian' is too strong a word for these instructor's style of advancing their ideology.
I dunno, I went to an exceptionally liberal college and studied polisci, I would not agree with this assessment. But just as for you, n=1.
 

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I dunno, I went to an exceptionally liberal college and studied polisci, I would not agree with this assessment. But just as for you, n=1.
I think if you pay attention to the larger, more influential universities as opposed to the smaller colleges and JC's, you'll find that a toxic progressivism is very much in play. Conservative student newspapers on these campuses (there's a lot of them on line) have the expressed goal of exposing these elements, and although they do have a specific bias, it isn't like the progressives they're calling out are denying anything.
 

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Hard to say...I really think the university systems have been a factory run by middle aged white progressives. The indoctrination is really breathtaking if my college kid son is correct. I believe him. Don't think 'totalitarian' is too strong a word for these instructor's style of advancing their ideology.
Higher education is definitely dominated by far-left ideology, no question. Its also impossible to argue that
I dunno, I went to an exceptionally liberal college and studied polisci, I would not agree with this assessment. But just as for you, n=1.
Multiple studies show that professors overwhelmingly identify as politically progressive with many openly advocating Marxism., while those who refuse to embrace and teach ultra woke-ism are persecuted. Thomas Sowell and Jordan Peterson (and others) have written and spoken extensively about it.
 

mgr22

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My experience as an undergraduate at a famously liberal university was consistent with most of the opinions expressed above -- e.g., professors with liberal bias. However, we students were largely able to recognize that and make decisions for ourselves about what to believe.

I'd say there was a 60-40 majority of the student body left of center, but the rest of us carried on with little difficulty. For example, I had an economics professor who told us he was a communist, but he didn't preach his beliefs, and gave me an A in the course for research that pursued a rather conservative path. I also had classmates who called themselves socialists or communists, yet we were able to swap opinions and get along without converting each other.

In my opinion, most kids who are old enough and smart enough to attend college understand that they're being exposed to a variety of views -- not just by professors, but by classmates -- and will find the opportunity to sort out their own beliefs more positive than negative.
 

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My experience as an undergraduate at a famously liberal university was consistent with most of the opinions expressed above -- e.g., professors with liberal bias. However, we students were largely able to recognize that and make decisions for ourselves about what to believe.

I'd say there was a 60-40 majority of the student body left of center, but the rest of us carried on with little difficulty. For example, I had an economics professor who told us he was a communist, but he didn't preach his beliefs, and gave me an A in the course for research that pursued a rather conservative path. I also had classmates who called themselves socialists or communists, yet we were able to swap opinions and get along without converting each other.

In my opinion, most kids who are old enough and smart enough to attend college understand that they're being exposed to a variety of views -- not just by professors, but by classmates -- and will find the opportunity to sort out their own beliefs more positive than negative.
This essentially mirrors my experience. I really think higher ed is over credited for the "changes" occurring in this country. And even if it were, I am just not that surprised. Why are we surprised that young, idealistic people would want essentially the opposite of what they don't like?
 

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Very few, if any of us, make over $400K a year, that's not going to be the problem. The problem will come when they tax the daylights out of the corporations. Any raise in taxes is gonna go right on down to the consumer...that would be you. Same same on fuel for your ride or the ambulances and fire trucks. That's gonna hurt some budgets. Just sayin',
 

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This essentially mirrors my experience. I really think higher ed is over credited for the "changes" occurring in this country. And even if it were, I am just not that surprised. Why are we surprised that young, idealistic people would want essentially the opposite of what they don't like?

Because they aren’t idealistic. They are destroying property, beating people, threatening everyone who doesn’t raise a fist in solidarity.
Because they clamor for Communism/socialism without ev3n understanding what those régimes do to people.
Because they’re NEVER known true hardship.
Because they want to destroy the very THING that allows them to be so Stupid.
 

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Because they aren’t idealistic. They are destroying property, beating people, threatening everyone who doesn’t raise a fist in solidarity.
Because they clamor for Communism/socialism without ev3n understanding what those régimes do to people.
Because they’re NEVER known true hardship.
Because they want to destroy the very THING that allows them to be so Stupid.
Yea, once again, when you say college kids are destroying property and beating people, you aren’t really going to get anywhere. If you can’t be bothered to deal in facts, no one will listen. The vast majority of the younger generation that you clearly hate so much engages in nothing violent. But you insist they do, even in the absence of fact.

When you say that none of them know true hardship, you are just angering the many, many young and idealistic people that feel how they do because they have in fact experienced real hardship.

These inane and obtusely brusque comments just serve to drive the axe in further. I don’t know how you could possibly be more out of touch here.
 

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Colleges and universities have been liberal hotbeds for the better part of a century. And if you don't believe me, feel free to check out these links to historical books documenting such.


Not that being a source of change is a bad thing; equal rights among all races, among all genders, ending the war in Vietnam, none of these are bad things, and I 100% agree that students should express their opinions, should learn about life beyond their nuclear family. And yes, the vast majority of 4 year college professors are liberals, who teach from a liberal perspective. As student, you are becoming adults, and as such, should be able to express an opinion.

That all being said. many/most college students are stupid. Heck, most teenagers/early 20somethings are stupid. I was stupid when I was in college, and I bet if you were honest, so were you. Your stupidity wasn't caused by a lack of intelligence, but due to a lack of real-world life experience, a lack of full developed recognition of their place in relation to the rest of the world, and a lack of understanding that their actions today can have a negative impact on your life in the next 5/10/25 years. They are easily manipulated by their professors, by their peers, and by the media (especially the liberal satirical media), because they believe what they say is correct (and the only correct way), because they don't know any better, and are indoctrinated to question some authority, but not their professors (who control their grades) or those who can have an immediate impact on their current situation. But most aren't 100% self-sufficient (living on their own, paying their own bills, paying for their own insurance, working full time, supporting a family, etc), so they are living primarily in their own little bubble.

I went to school in the 6th, 13 or 17th most liberal school in New York State (depending on which list you ask). Were their liberal professors, who taught from a liberal point of view? absolutely. I'm sure certain courses and majors attracted them even more than my history/Info-Tech ones. I would never slam anyone for getting educated and going to college. But I'm also not mature enough to understand that conservative voices are frequently suppressed on college campuses, and the woke mob has frequently targeted those who don't agree with their points of view.
 

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Because they aren’t idealistic. They are destroying property, beating people, threatening everyone who doesn’t raise a fist in solidarity.
Because they clamor for Communism/socialism without ev3n understanding what those régimes do to people.
Because they’re NEVER known true hardship.
Because they want to destroy the very THING that allows them to be so Stupid.
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I'm surprised you'd generalize so broadly and so negatively about young people. Your experiences must be much different from mine. None of the young people I'm close to are destroying property or clamoring for communism/socialism. I'd say more than half don't even know what communism or socialism is.
 

mgr22

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Very few, if any of us, make over $400K a year, that's not going to be the problem. The problem will come when they tax the daylights out of the corporations. Any raise in taxes is gonna go right on down to the consumer...that would be you. Same same on fuel for your ride or the ambulances and fire trucks. That's gonna hurt some budgets. Just sayin',

Won't those price increases simply offset all those price decreases they gave us? 😁
 

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