How safety forces hose the public...
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Wingnut
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I'd rather have everyone there when I don't need them than not have them there if I did.
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An interesting point though for the same reason that Fire has tries to absorb EMS to boost their calls....
One of the districts around here does it because their call volume has dropped significantly but they want to build more stations still. They've started sending an engine to SAR calls, They just sit there and try to be the PIO so they can get the publicity. They send an engine when an ambulance is transfering to a critical care ambulance on a cul-de-sac. It is completely unnecessary but it gets the FD publicity and lets them artificially boost their call numbers so they can ask for more tax money.
I'm waiting for them to start sending an engine to escort ambulances on level II interfacilities!
One of the districts around here does it because their call volume has dropped significantly but they want to build more stations still. They've started sending an engine to SAR calls, They just sit there and try to be the PIO so they can get the publicity. They send an engine when an ambulance is transfering to a critical care ambulance on a cul-de-sac. It is completely unnecessary but it gets the FD publicity and lets them artificially boost their call numbers so they can ask for more tax money.
I'm waiting for them to start sending an engine to escort ambulances on level II interfacilities!
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I agree with emt/fr... he wont be complaining when he gets into an accident or sprains his ankle.
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Good God!!! Has anyone been on an MVA and almost been hit by the crazy driver out there who does not care one iota about ANYONE on the highway???!!! Or the drunk one??
Anytime the MICU is called for our accident scenes - 2 engines are dispatch to create a safety area to work in. Tough sh*t if it causes some drivers an inconvenience. I'm not dying in order for someone to get from point A to point B 5 minutes sooner.
What is a MAJOR leading cause of death for firefighter and paramedics?
Traffic accidents - whether they are driving or on the side of the road at accident scenes.
How many cars drive by him at 70mph while sitting at his desk?
I invite Ronald Khol to stand beside me in an unprotected scene in the middle of an 8 lane highway and he can then tell me what a waste it is having additional units on scene. That is...if he doesn't get hit, die, or crap his pants from the danger.
I guess ignorant people are afforded the freedom of speech also.
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Anytime the MICU is called for our accident scenes - 2 engines are dispatch to create a safety area to work in. Tough sh*t if it causes some drivers an inconvenience. I'm not dying in order for someone to get from point A to point B 5 minutes sooner.
What is a MAJOR leading cause of death for firefighter and paramedics?
Traffic accidents - whether they are driving or on the side of the road at accident scenes.
How many cars drive by him at 70mph while sitting at his desk?
I invite Ronald Khol to stand beside me in an unprotected scene in the middle of an 8 lane highway and he can then tell me what a waste it is having additional units on scene. That is...if he doesn't get hit, die, or crap his pants from the danger.
I guess ignorant people are afforded the freedom of speech also.
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The system I work in has every engine staffed with a medic. In all of the instances where I have been on an engine responding to an emergency I have never thought to myself, I really wish I had a medic on here with me. I think and agree with the assessment the FD are doing this to try and show they are more needed than they really are. Allthough there are some who would disagree, I do have at least one ally.
Toned to 53 F in resp distress. To make this simple I won't get into the call to deep. Location was a small clinic in a strip mall setting. Engine beat us on scene by a couple of seconds and drives by the address. As we roll up a lady comes out and flags us down. We go in and initiate pt care when the medic off of the engine shows up. Rather angry he asked the lady who stopped us why she did not flag down the engine as they passed. Her response, " Because I called for an ambulance not a fire truck." Insert partner and I trying not to laugh our asses off.
Toned to 53 F in resp distress. To make this simple I won't get into the call to deep. Location was a small clinic in a strip mall setting. Engine beat us on scene by a couple of seconds and drives by the address. As we roll up a lady comes out and flags us down. We go in and initiate pt care when the medic off of the engine shows up. Rather angry he asked the lady who stopped us why she did not flag down the engine as they passed. Her response, " Because I called for an ambulance not a fire truck." Insert partner and I trying not to laugh our asses off.
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ROFL :lol: Priceless!
I have to agree with wingnut and others that have mentioned having the extra help and not needing it as to having to need extra help and not having it. I for one am happy when you get an extra person in the rig that can help you or having others block the traffic so you know you aren't going to be the next victim.
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I have to agree with wingnut and others that have mentioned having the extra help and not needing it as to having to need extra help and not having it. I for one am happy when you get an extra person in the rig that can help you or having others block the traffic so you know you aren't going to be the next victim. [/b][/quote]
For years we had to pull teeth to get any help from PD or FD. Nobody on the PD was medically trained and our fire chief, well.............another story. We now have a police chief that is an EMT and wants all of his officers to be trained. We get them for first response on every call. As for the FD, the current chief is also an I-tech with our ambulance. You probably get the jist of things without me having to ramble on. Point is, it is nice to know that they will be there whether needed or not.
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don't get me started unless your prepared to stifle me with tequila Boss...
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This is from another EMS forum.. that was reply sent to the author.....
By NSmedic./N.Y..
Posted in reply to Mr. Kohl’s article on his site
It is always interesting to see how the uninformed general public views the
public safety sector. From the comfort of your office, where it is apparent
you have nothing better to do then stare out the window you come up with
these gems of wisdom.
As for the amount of emergency vehicles at the scene of a fender bender on
the freewy I ask you this, do you know how many paramedics, EMT's, police,
and firefighters die at the scene of fender benders because the general
driving public is too busy to pay attention to the road? These are the same
drivers that manage to have an accident in bumper to bumper traffic. The
number of vehicles is to protect the emergency workers because the general
public cannot be trusted to.
As to the question of why do all of these vehicles need to respond, well ask
your local personal injury lawyer. It used to be that an adult who was
alert oriented could make a decision not to be transported to the hospital,
but then the lawyers needed to be heard from. So, after many police, fire
and EMS workers have been sued as well as the towns and cities they work
for, to protect themselves, those uninjured victims have to be carefully
interviewed, examined, and documented before being released after refusing
medical attention, since the lawyers will try to rip us apart if it is not
done well.
As for the charges imposed on those who use the services, it is a question
of need and budgets. if all public safety departments never charge those
who use the services, then the taxes for the entire population would be
higher. If you don't call 911 or are never involved in a traffic accident,
or any number of accidents that can befall an average citizen, you will
never have to pay. ( On a side note, many if not all auto insurance
policies cover ambulance and fire dept charges for an accident, and
homeoweners or business ins covers for fires and other needs of emergency
services).
If you think you know everything about the operations of your departments,
why not go and ask for a ridealong on the ambulance and see why they are so
busy taking grandma with a sprained ankle to the ED. It is because
emergency services cannot refuse a call. If you call 911 for a hangnail, an
ambulance has to respond, and if you demand a transport to the hospital, we
have to take you. Since if we refuse, the lawyers have a great time raking
up billable hours.
If you think this should be changed, go to your elected representatives and
get them to pass laws to give complete immunity to rescue workers, and laws
to allow for the emergency dispatchers, paramedics, cops and firefighters to
decide on who needs transport and who is abusing the system. And if you can
do that, maybe you can tell me how to differentiate between a massive
anteriolateral MI or is it a cold by using a blood pressure cuff, a
stethescope, and a penlight.
Thought it was an excellant reply...
Be safe,
Ridryder 911
By NSmedic./N.Y..
Posted in reply to Mr. Kohl’s article on his site
It is always interesting to see how the uninformed general public views the
public safety sector. From the comfort of your office, where it is apparent
you have nothing better to do then stare out the window you come up with
these gems of wisdom.
As for the amount of emergency vehicles at the scene of a fender bender on
the freewy I ask you this, do you know how many paramedics, EMT's, police,
and firefighters die at the scene of fender benders because the general
driving public is too busy to pay attention to the road? These are the same
drivers that manage to have an accident in bumper to bumper traffic. The
number of vehicles is to protect the emergency workers because the general
public cannot be trusted to.
As to the question of why do all of these vehicles need to respond, well ask
your local personal injury lawyer. It used to be that an adult who was
alert oriented could make a decision not to be transported to the hospital,
but then the lawyers needed to be heard from. So, after many police, fire
and EMS workers have been sued as well as the towns and cities they work
for, to protect themselves, those uninjured victims have to be carefully
interviewed, examined, and documented before being released after refusing
medical attention, since the lawyers will try to rip us apart if it is not
done well.
As for the charges imposed on those who use the services, it is a question
of need and budgets. if all public safety departments never charge those
who use the services, then the taxes for the entire population would be
higher. If you don't call 911 or are never involved in a traffic accident,
or any number of accidents that can befall an average citizen, you will
never have to pay. ( On a side note, many if not all auto insurance
policies cover ambulance and fire dept charges for an accident, and
homeoweners or business ins covers for fires and other needs of emergency
services).
If you think you know everything about the operations of your departments,
why not go and ask for a ridealong on the ambulance and see why they are so
busy taking grandma with a sprained ankle to the ED. It is because
emergency services cannot refuse a call. If you call 911 for a hangnail, an
ambulance has to respond, and if you demand a transport to the hospital, we
have to take you. Since if we refuse, the lawyers have a great time raking
up billable hours.
If you think this should be changed, go to your elected representatives and
get them to pass laws to give complete immunity to rescue workers, and laws
to allow for the emergency dispatchers, paramedics, cops and firefighters to
decide on who needs transport and who is abusing the system. And if you can
do that, maybe you can tell me how to differentiate between a massive
anteriolateral MI or is it a cold by using a blood pressure cuff, a
stethescope, and a penlight.
Thought it was an excellant reply...
Be safe,
Ridryder 911
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I was also considering crafting a reply.
Ummm... DC may not have general alarm fires often, but I bet they are getting to spray water on either trash or room and content's several times a tour. I WISH I could say the same.
Jon
Ummm... DC may not have general alarm fires often, but I bet they are getting to spray water on either trash or room and content's several times a tour. I WISH I could say the same.
Jon