usafmedic45
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When was the last time you got under a sliding MRAP to slip in and extricate your gunner into the vehicle before his arm was crushed by a crumpling turrent shield? By your ethics, I should have let that young man lose an arm instead of risking myself a little. I'm glad I'm not you.
Combat's a different ballgame entirely. Apples to oranges. Not to mention that if someone's arm has already been crushed, there's pathetically little one can do on scene to save it. Apply a tourniquet, get the patient evacuated and let someone with surgical expertise evaluate it. It doesn't take a medic to do any of those things which is one reason why it was taught in the courses I used to provide to an Army unit I was temporarily assigned to.
That's when your contribution may be as little as deploying warning equipment or signalling traffic from a safe location. I'm not saying every helper should bolt straight to the scene and dive in.
Getting out and tossing flares isn't much safer and I don't know many of us who are carrying around reflective vests to wear while signaling traffic.
Right, most of us would. But there are people in this thread who have straight up said they would not. And thats horrible.
Who has said that in the situation of a collapsed person at a health club? Those of us who said we would not help are saying we are not stopping alongside a pitch black country road or busy six-lane interstate and risking becoming a hood ornament for a Peterbilt or the next drunk driver to pass by. CPR is a low-risk event with a decent chance of maybe helping (given that an AED is nearby) where as the chances of being able to do anything but either look at a dead body or tell the driver help (that is actually make a difference) is on the way at an MVC is exceptionally rare, which is why folks like 18G bring up the rare cases they personally have encountered rather than bringing out scientific evidence to indicate that we should stop.
In other words, please stop being melodramatic or assuming facts not in evidence.
Anyway, I am pulling out of this thread. Don't want to get kicked out of this forum!
Relax.....it's a debate, not an argument and the moderators here are pretty level-headed.
And usaf, it's a proven fact that millions of European Jews and their descendents are alive today because of brave soldiers and civilians who resisted the Nazi regime.
Soldiers are different from unarmed/underarmed civilians which is what I believed you were talking about. Trust me, I know the history of WWII a hell of a lot better than you do.
If you're offended by that, you need to check yourself.
I'm offended by your inability to think non-linearly, not come up with valid comparisons for disparate circumstances and your fatalistic approach to doing our jobs.
By the way, thank you for your service from one veteran to another.