Having worked in a hospital, I know there are several employees that have no patient or public interactions...mostly in administrative and maintenance positions.
Department of Defense can get away with a lot more than most employers.
So they enter and exit without passing a single person, they visit no vending machines, they avoid the cafeteria, and they have zero interaction with colleagues, subordinates or superiors?? Again, this type of person should work remotely...
I never once said we should have people suffer and rot in the gutter if they aren't employed and can't afford basic health care.
no; it's called actions have consequences. this was an avoidable infection. you CHOSE not to be vaccinated (your body, your choice, I can respect that) but due to your choices, now the company has to pay more to cover your spot while you recover. the insurance has to pay more to cover your expenses. both of these could have been avoided, but you chose to not get vaccinated. oh, none of this should be a surprise to the affected person; that would be unfair. they should be told about it, using the basis of informed consent. they know the risks, and do so anyway.
first of all, you are the only one who they should die in agony. I've taken drunk drivers to the hospital after they crashed. never once did I leave them to die in agony. however, just because they are treated, doesn't mean that someone else should pay the bill. and if their insurance company denied the claim, because of the clause that said they won't cover injuries related to drunk driving, then actions have consequences, and the driver made the choice
it's not punative at all. the person assumed the risk. they knew the chances and made a choice. it's no different than not paying your homeowners insurance (because you've never needed it) and then having a house fire... should the insurance company cut you a check?
I'm not sure why you are projecting.... basic help and healthcare should be available for everyone (believe it or not, I actually support the idea of a taxpayer funded healthcare system). And I have never, ever, refused to treat a person based on their ability to pay. and if it's an emergency, you should receive treatment (ever heard of EMTALA?). but as a realist, good treatment isn't free, and preventative care (such as vaccinations) are often much more cost effective than reactionary treatments.
I'm not confusing you with someone else. I also didn't mention any political party or politician, nor did I ascribe any political motivation to your post.
Your entire post screamed, "let em rot." I'm not sure how you want others to interpret "if they get Covid by not wearing a mask, they should be fired AND IMMEDIATELY LOSE THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE." Even though that isn't how it works anywhere in America (paid through the month at least, then COBRA). So therefore, that is how you desire it to work. So you've actively advocated for an even more brutal system than what we have.
My employer (not the military) has had mandatory flu vaccination for years.
Remarkable. You'd think educated people would know better than to suggest such analogies.Apparently the lawyer for the employees was idiotic enough to compare their situation to victims of Holocaust medical experiments in Nazi concentration camps!
Nope. All the rage with “victims”…
Hospital-acquired infections are a huge risk, but is COVID that much more of a liability than many of the other infections that occur?
www.cdc.gov
So, I think that this borders on a company having their right to do what they want to do, are entitled to do, and a violation of employee rights and HIPAA. If an employee chooses to NOT get the vaccination, then, I think that is on them. If it were me as an administrator, I would make sure that it was noted in their file, and also there would have to be an addendum to the SOP/SOG which states that an employee who refuses to take the vaccination, then test positive for COVID19 then they simply are not entitled to the get to use any extra sick time. I personally, do not understand the whole "anti-vax" mindset, my oldest daughter is an anti-vax person, and eventually, I am going to text her and find out that line of thinking. Personally, I did a career in the Army, and you get so used to simply rolling up your sleeve and getting a shot, you don't care. I was offered it, I wrote the SOP/SOG for my department, towards my finalizing it, the Chief told me to put the COVID19 addendum in there. We are a volunteer department. You would think that our people cannot be told what to do. Personally, I am of the mindset, that if they want to get the vax, it is tracked, we have not dropped the Addendum, we made it permanent actually. Our people can refuse the vax, however, they understand that they will not receive any workman's comp if they do not get the vax, and they do not follow the established addendum protocol. We also have the same types of protocols when it comes to what members wear under their Bunker Gear and fighting wildland fires. We had an ex-member get poison oak at one time because he was not dressed out properly in his wildland gear. He was out of the game. He attempted to file workman's comp on us. Personally, I did not think it was a horrible thing, but our insurance company said he had to use his companies workman's comp first and then he could file with our insurance company.
Hospital suspends 178 health care workers for failing to get COVID vaccine
They have two weeks to become fully vaccinated or they face termination.arstechnica.com
How is this a HIPAA violation?
That's actually grossly inaccurate. the only time someone volunteers is when they submit the application to join. After that, they are treated as employees of the organization, and agree to follow the rules set forth by the organization (SOPs, etc). And if they don't follow those rules, there should be consequences.
You are comparing apples and watermelons, and using a hyperbolic example that has little factual basis., but let's follow that through: the company has a right to set forth its rules. If you don't agree with them, you are free to terminate your employment at any time. BTW there is a historical and legal president for mandating vaccines
thehill.com
apnews.com
Some people cannot do these vaccines. People who are allergic to penicillin or amoxicillin like my wife. Those ingredients are inside these shots for Covid 19. I'm sure that companies mandating workers to get shots would be something that could definitely be challenged in the court of law. I did get the shot because my work site was strongly recommending it and they gave it to us for free. I took Pfizer and have not had any reactions.Hospital suspends 178 health care workers for failing to get COVID vaccine
They have two weeks to become fully vaccinated or they face termination.