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Well, it has been an absolutely crappy month for us.

Three weeks ago, we were dispatched to a car vs. motorcycle MVA. Car occupants were fine, and were released on scene. The driver of the motorcycle suffered an amputation of his left leg just above the ankle. a C2/C3 fracture, several rib fractures plus numerous other injuries. My patient was his wife, who died about six hours later on the operating table. She had an amputation of the left leg at the knee, and the tib/fib bones were completely vaporized by the accident. She also had a lacerated liver and a verticle shear fracture of the pelvis, but the part the confuses me is that she was awake and talking to us the entire time we were on scence.

On Sunday night, we were dispatched to a car vs. combine MVA. There were six occupants in an extended cab pickup that rear ended a combine at highway speeds (no skid marks = no braking). Male driver was DOA, 4yoM in the center front seat was DOA, adult female in right front seat was critical (vomiting blood on scene with labored/shallow respirations). She was later flown to the level 1 hospital for brain surgery. 15yoF left rear passenger had a possible head injury with unequal pupils. 1yoF infant in rear facing car seat in the back (center) was transported to a level 2 hospital with possible closed head injuries and a ruptured spleen. 18yoF (mother of infant) in the right rear had a spiral femur fx of Rt. leg, Open spiral Radial/Ulna fx, and abdominal rigidity on palpation.
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Today, we were dipatched to a four vehicle MVA that involved one of our newest department members. She was the unrestrained driver of a vehicle that was T-Boned at approximatley 65mph. She was thrown completely over to the passenger seat (including her feet), and we were initially looking to see where the driver was. She was hyperventilating, tachycardic, and c/o severe sternum and back pain and didn't remember the accident. She was also combative with us on scene until the flight crew administered some pain meds.

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(Notice how much the driver's seat is twisted in it's mounts.)

Oh yeah, all of these accidents happened in a one mile stretch of highway that runs through our district.
 
Do you have CISM (Critical Incident Stress Management) teams in your area? If so, do you use them?

We have debriefed with them many times and it does help.
 
WOW!!! How is the driver of the second set of pics?

I will send prayers y'alls way....
 
Hang in there guy. We all have rough patches of time. This just seems to be yours.
 
Wow. My heart goes out to you and to the victims. Hang in there!
 
Originally posted by vtemti@Jun 8 2005, 04:35 AM
Do you have CISM (Critical Incident Stress Management) teams in your area? If so, do you use them?

We have debriefed with them many times and it does help.
We actually have a CISD set up today for the 2nd accident (pickup truck). I've never attended one yet, and have no intention of starting now. I know they help some people, and that's great for them.

EMTPrincess Posted on Jun 8 2005, 04:44 AM
WOW!!! How is the driver of the second set of pics?

I will send prayers y'alls way....

She's one of our new members and is the one with the injuries I described. I haven't been able to get an update on her condition yet. I seriously believe that the only reason she is still alive is that she wasn't wearing her seatbelt and got knocked clean over to the passenger side of the vehicle.

I will keep everyone updated on her condition as I find out, and thanks for the prayers.
 
I just found out the extent of her injuries.

She broke every rib, punctured both lungs, ruptured her spleen, & punctured her diaphram. She is in stable condition.
 
Wow!! Hope things start looking up for you and your department.
 
I've never attended one yet, and have no intention of starting now.

such denial ffemt8978.... :unsure:

~S~
 
I'm always wishing that we would get some good trauma around here. But not like that.

I hope things settle down around there.
 
Originally posted by Stevo@Jun 8 2005, 06:38 PM
I've never attended one yet, and have no intention of starting now.

such denial ffemt8978.... :unsure:

~S~
I changed my mind and went to the CISD tonight. I think it helped me a little, but I know it helped some others a lot more. Besides, I do my stress debriefing here ;)
 
wow,

I'm just in shock looking at those pictures and hearing the story. I'm really sorry to hear about all this. We're here for ya, and please keep us updated on her condition.
 
and went to the CISD tonight

i applaude your willigness to enertain this ffemt8978, it's not so easy , especially the first time going.

we all have these images are living in our heads yanno, they get a tad easier to view given time and attention like any other wound we see

~S~
 
Originally posted by Stevo@Jun 9 2005, 09:27 AM
and went to the CISD tonight

i applaude your willigness to enertain this ffemt8978, it's not so easy , especially the first time going.

we all have these images are living in our heads yanno, they get a tad easier to view given time and attention like any other wound we see

~S~
I'm sorry, but I disagree with the idea of CISD. I've been to four of the sessions for various calls and I will never go to another one ever again- none of them did anything for me or anyone else I talked to after attending them.

Maybe it's my natural distrust of psychiatrists and psychologists, maybe it's just the fact that the CISD debriefing I was forced to go to (read as: My chief and one of the other officers literally carried me kicking and screaming into the session) after I worked the wreck that killed my three friends (oh and I was supposed to have been in the car with them at the time, if I hadn't had to work late, I'd be dead right now) MADE THINGS SO MUCH WORSE. I didn't feel suicidal before but I sure did afterwards. I don't like talking about my feelings when it comes to things like that, certainly not to my coworkers (many of whom I didn't know well enough to consider them my friends despite having worked there over a year) and absolutely not to some schmuck with a Psy.D degree and a chip on her shoulder. If I need to talk to someone, I'll go to someone I know and trust, thank you very much.

I'm not a big believer in the CISD system, I think it's a load of ********. But that's just my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
 
Also sounds like the CISD team didn't do a good job of reaching you. It's true, some people deal in their own ways, some prefer something more structured like CISD. I know out here some teams are better than others, there's one girl we all dislike and if she shows up, forget it, none of us get any benefit out of it.
 
Yeah, I'm glad they didn't "reach me" because if they had, I probably would have emptied my cranial vault all over the garage like I thought about doing after the session. :(

Personally since I've been an officer, we've had a couple of calls where a lot of the bleeding heart psychologist types would say to have a circle je- uh, I mean CISD meeting. I tell anyone who wants to talk that they can call me and I'll talk to them or I can send them to a psychologist (there wass one here that volunteered her time to talk to FF's, EMT's and LEO's about work related issues). We do an informal debriefing after bad calls, but that's mainly just a chance to air grievances about how the call went (ways things could be done better in the future, etc) and to make sure that everyone's feelings about the situation are quite clear.

I refuse to let the CISD "team" anywhere near my FF/EMT's. It just isn't going to happen. I'm not going to let what happened to me happen to them. We had one of these groups call us about having them on call for emergencies and my chief (at my urging) told them to not call us ever again. It's a load of crap. If someone needs help, I'll help them get it, but I'm not forcing it upon those who don't ask for it- that does far more harm than good.
 
Originally posted by usafmedic45@Jun 9 2005, 01:28 PM
I refuse to let the CISD "team" anywhere near my FF/EMT's. It just isn't going to happen. I'm not going to let what happened to me happen to them. We had one of these groups call us about having them on call for emergencies and my chief (at my urging) told them to not call us ever again. It's a load of crap. If someone needs help, I'll help them get it, but I'm not forcing it upon those who don't ask for it- that does far more harm than good.
I disagree with this position because some people need the help and want the help but won't ask for it. I make the County (read "free") team available by having them into the firehouse after a bad call. Members can come, or they can stay home. I don't care. I'm not forcing anyone to be there, but I am making sure that it is there for them - even if one person shows up, or none at all.
 
Originally posted by rescuecpt+Jun 9 2005, 01:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rescuecpt @ Jun 9 2005, 01:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-usafmedic45@Jun 9 2005, 01:28 PM
I refuse to let the CISD "team" anywhere near my FF/EMT's. It just isn't going to happen. I'm not going to let what happened to me happen to them. We had one of these groups call us about having them on call for emergencies and my chief (at my urging) told them to not call us ever again. It's a load of crap. If someone needs help, I'll help them get it, but I'm not forcing it upon those who don't ask for it- that does far more harm than good.
I disagree with this position because some people need the help and want the help but won't ask for it. I make the County (read "free") team available by having them into the firehouse after a bad call. Members can come, or they can stay home. I don't care. I'm not forcing anyone to be there, but I am making sure that it is there for them - even if one person shows up, or none at all. [/b][/quote]
The problem we have is that the people the county wants us to use will only do it if everyone is there (unfortunately this means the officers that were on scene too :angry: Note: the following excuse doesn't work unfortunately- "I was just the LT on duty, why the hell do I have to show up?"), as the psychologist put it "We don't want anyone feeling left out. Not to mention that it only works if all parties involved are present." :rolleyes: She didn't like my response that perhaps some of us don't feel like participating and if we had anyone who wanted to, we'd send them their way. I seem to have messed with her "Let's all hold hands, talk about our feelings and they'll all go away" approach to this kind of thing. Why is it the people who become disaster relief social workers and psychologists are always the most annoyingly chipper people you'll ever come across? It just bothers me that you can look at them and tell they've got no clue what the heck their talking about because they've never had to pull a child from a wrecked car, recover a burned body, or had someone die right in front of them- why? Because they're always the upper middle class kids who went to college on their daddy's dime and didn't have to work and now want to make the world a better place. Personally I find people like that amusing in some sick manner. Maybe it's some bizarre manifestation of my PTSD, to find sick amusement in the quirks of mental health professionals, to find some fault in them and focus in on it. I don't know what it is, but I do know this- I'm not a believer in CISD. If it works for you great....but it doesn't work for most people I know. Like I said, this is just my opinion.
 
Originally posted by EMTPrincess@Jun 8 2005, 07:44 AM
WOW!!! How is the driver of the second set of pics?

I will send prayers y'alls way....
My fatal this week had MUCH less damage, and pt. was headfirst into the passenger seat...


Hope you are fine, and I know how you feel.
 
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