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[Sasha]

Cincinnati FD was first official department in the nation, established April 1, 1853

Annnnnnd?

diez chars.

 

[Shishkabob]

Cincinnati FD was first official department in the nation, established April 1, 1853

Funny, last I checked, Ben Franklin made the first known fire department in Philly, over 100 years prior.

 

[Cory]

Annnnnnd?

diez chars.

Fire based EMS has been around for 100 years?

2009 - 1853 = 156

 

[daedalus]

Cincinnati FD was first official department in the nation, established April 1, 1853

And?

Objection your honor! Relevance!?

Couldn't help myself hehe.

FYI : They were not doing EMS in 1853

 

[reaper]

That's because he was burning down the city with lightening!

 

[ffemt8978]

Cincinnati FD was first official department in the nation, established April 1, 1853

No, it wasn't.

On April 1, 1853, the Cincinnati, Ohio (USA) Fire Department became the first full-time paid professional fire department in the United States, and the first in the world to use steam fire engines. [1]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_firefighting

It was the first full time paid, not the first official department.

 

[Cory]

Funny, last I checked, Ben Franklin made the first known fire department in Philly, over 100 years prior.

That was not an official government funded service or anything. It was a new idea on the rise.

 

[Sasha]

2009 - 1853 = 156

Annnnnnndddd?

EMS is something relatively new... and was originally done by funeral services, not the FD.

 

[Shishkabob]

2009 - 1853 = 156

"Fire based" = "Fire based EMS", not "Fire Department". EMS has not been around in it's current form for 100 years, and it sure as heck hasn't been in the FD longer then it has existed as an entity.

 

[Cory]

Hmmm, the CFD patch lied to me !!!! :sad::sad::sad:

Seriously though, I stand corrected.

 

[Shishkabob]

That was not an official government funded service or anything. It was a new idea on the rise.

You said first official, to which I proved that it was not. You never qualified what you meant as "official" with "government funding" or any other qualifier.

 

[Sasha]

nononono, I am saying that is most likely a large reason why private EMS is not present in Cincinnati 911 resonse yet.

Don't blame the uninsured. A 911 service CANNOT refuse care or transport based on inability to pay. EMTALA, anyone?

 

[ffemt8978]

Hmmm, the CFD patch lied to me !!!! :sad::sad::sad:

Seriously though, I stand corrected.

Word of advice...don't use what you see on a patch as a basis for an argument. You should always do your own research and support your arguments with facts.

 

[Cory]

Don't blame the uninsured. A 911 service CANNOT refuse care or transport based on inability to pay. EMTALA, anyone?

So tell me, what is the process that happens after an uninsured person is transported by private EMS?(other than care, I mean as far as paying the bill and all)

 

[Sasha]

So tell me, what is the process that happens after an uninsured person is transported by private EMS?(other than care, I mean as far as paying the bill and all)

They are evaluated and treated appropriately at the hospital. It's done case by case. HERE it's usually a tax write off or they can try and get the money, but no use trying to get turnip juice out of blood.

 

[Cory]

Word of advice...don't use what you see on a patch as a basis for an argument. You should always do your own research and support your arguments with facts.

Oh come on, do you really think I just got that from a patch? I just mis-read the information. And in a way I was still right, depending on what extant the argument entailed (look at the original posts, I am not quoting them all right now)

 

[reaper]

So tell me, what is the process that happens after an uninsured person is transported by private EMS?(other than care, I mean as far as paying the bill and all)

They bill them. If it is not paid, it goes to collections. If it is still not paid, they write it off!

 

[Shishkabob]

If they are uninsured, they get a bill in their mailbox. They are then to work out a payment plan with the providing agency. That's IF the name and address given to the crew is real.


You DO know some fire based EMS bill people as well, right? Just because it's fire based doesn't mean it's free.

 

[Cory]

They are evaluated and treated appropriately at the hospital. It's done case by case. HERE it's usually a tax write off or they can try and get the money, but no use trying to get turnip juice out of blood.

no use... you can't tell me everyone just forgets about it. And that doesn't seem like a good situation for a high poverty area where insurance is less than common.

 

[Sasha]

no use... you can't tell me everyone just forgets about it. And that doesn't seem like a good situation for a high poverty area where insurance is less than common.

Did you miss where I said they use it as a tax write off?