Report Instructor?

[bstone]

It isn't that black and white, bstone you need to take a step back and look at how this may effect her. Its quite easy to just say report him, call the cops and get a lawyer.

W don't have to deal with the repercussions, sure maybe the guy gets fired and she is able to finish her class. What he doesnt, he then makes her life miserable, maybe he fails her or kicks her out of class. Maybe she losses her tuition and maybe the guy has some juice in the ems field and trashes her name so she never gets a job.

Its easy to sit in your ivory tower and peach about what needs to be done when you yourself don't have to deal with the consequences.

I agree the guy was out of lineand its a shame that she had to go through that but lets focus on what's in her best interest right now, not yours.

I know exactly how this affects people. I was the victim of a vicious anti-semetic campaign. Believe me, I understand. There is no ivory tower, there is no need to "step back". I have experience and realize why there is zero tolerance for this sort of behavior.

You do know what zero tolerance means, right?

 

[medic417]

You do know what zero tolerance means, right?

You do know what two sides to every story means, right?

Sad part as soon as claims are made and even if it turns out she took it out of context, misunderstood etc a persons career and family may have been destroyed. Start at the source then work out. Don't immediately jump out to a lawyer.

 

[bstone]

You do know what two sides to every story means, right?

Sad part as soon as claims are made and even if it turns out she took it out of context, misunderstood etc a persons career and family may have been destroyed. Start at the source then work out. Don't immediately jump out to a lawyer.

So you want a woman who has been sexually harassed and traumatized to go to her aggressor and "work it out"? No no no.

 

[medic417]

So you want a woman who has been sexually harassed and traumatized to go to her aggressor and "work it out"? No no no.

On another post I already said she can take a witness with her. YES< YES< YES.

 

[Shishkabob]

If talking about breast size in a joking manner has traumatized a female, EMS probably isn't the right field to be in...you know, with all the psych, rude, immature and just plain dumb people we deal with on a daily basis.

I do a few psych calls each week. Atleast one will be verbally abusive. Every week.




If you can't deal with words in a totally non-threatening manner, how are you supposed to when it IS threatening?

 

[bstone]

If talking about breast size in a joking manner has traumatized a female, EMS probably isn't the right field to be in...you know, with all the psych, rude, immature and just plain dumb people we deal with on a daily basis.

I do a few psych calls each week. Atleast one will be verbally abusive. Every week.




If you can't deal with words in a totally non-threatening manner, how are you supposed to when it IS threatening?

Linuss, are you comparing EMTs to psych patients?

Its one thing if it comes from a Type 1 Schizophrenic. It's another when it comes from your instructor in a professional school.

Linuss, if you can't keep it professional and not comment on a colleague body then you're not professional. Let's keep it professional, shall we?

 

[bstone]

On another post I already said she can take a witness with her. YES< YES< YES.

You don't seem to get it. This is a traumatizing experience and there is zero tolerance for it, by policy. Yet you are suggesting this policy be ignored and the trauma to continue?

 

[medic417]

You don't seem to get it. This is a traumatizing experience and there is zero tolerance for it, by policy. Yet you are suggesting this policy be ignored and the trauma to continue?

No I am suggesting she do what is right and follow the proper steps which step one is confront the person you feel harassed. You seem to fail to grasp there is more than one side to each story. By her going alone but in an area where others see or with a witness at her side she does the right thing it stopping the perceived harassment.

 

[bstone]

No I am suggesting she do what is right and follow the proper steps which step one is confront the person you feel harassed. You seem to fail to grasp there is more than one side to each story. By her going alone but in an area where others see or with a witness at her side she does the right thing it stopping the perceived harassment.

Step 1 in a case of sexual harassment is reporting it to HR or other supervisory staff. Always.

 

[bstone]

Note on sexual harassed in school: Recent changes to Title IX hold academic institutions more liable
for protecting sexual harassment complainants from retaliation. Also, your identity must be kept
confidential except where necessary for investigative purposes. Know your rights in this process ahead
of time. If the institutional grievance channels do not clear up the situation, besides contacting a lawyer,
contact the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights.
Source: http://www.sexualharassmentsupport.org/WhatToDo.html

If she goes to the instructor then she will no longer be confidential and anonymous.

 

[medic417]

Step 1 in a case of sexual harassment is reporting it to HR or other supervisory staff. Always.

http://www.pamf.org/teen/sex/rape_assault/sexualharass.html

"There are steps you can take to bring an end to sexual harassment some you take on your own, and others you take with adults who are both willing and required, by law, to help you.

1.Do not ignore the sexual harassment.


2.Tell or write the person who's harassing you to STOP. It may not always be clear to your harasser that the behavior is unwelcome. If you're able, tell the person directly--or write in a letter--that you don't like his or her behavior and that you want it to stop. In a situation where you are afraid to address a harasser directly, you'll need to involve your parents and/or school officials."

 

[medic417]

If she goes to the instructor then she will no longer be confidential and anonymous.

And if she made a false claim based on misinterpretation she just ruined an innocent persons life. I have seen people that were cleared of all charges but it was to late to save their lively hood and sadly even their marriage.

 

[medic417]

http://www.dotcr.ost.dot.gov/Documents/complaint/Preventing_Sexual_Harassment.htm

"To determine whether behavior is severe or pervasive enough to create a hostile environment, the finder of fact (a court or jury) considers these factors:

The frequency of the unwelcome discriminatory conduct;
The severity of the conduct
Whether the conduct was physically threatening or humiliating, or a mere offensive utterance;
Whether the conduct unreasonably interfered with work performance;
The effect on the employee’s psychological well-being; and
Whether the harasser was a superior in the organization. "

 

[bstone]

And if she made a false claim based on misinterpretation she just ruined an innocent persons life. I have seen people that were cleared of all charges but it was to late to save their lively hood and sadly even their marriage.

And if he did nothing wrong then he has nothing to worry about. Making a report ≠ automatic guilt and conviction.

 

[bstone]

http://www.dotcr.ost.dot.gov/Documents/complaint/Preventing_Sexual_Harassment.htm

"To determine whether behavior is severe or pervasive enough to create a hostile environment, the finder of fact (a court or jury) considers these factors:

The frequency of the unwelcome discriminatory conduct;
The severity of the conduct
Whether the conduct was physically threatening or humiliating, or a mere offensive utterance;
Whether the conduct unreasonably interfered with work performance;
The effect on the employee’s psychological well-being; and
Whether the harasser was a superior in the organization. "

Yes, he was a superior. And a harasser.

 

[medic417]

Have a great day enough back and forth.

To the OP do it right by addressing the perceived problem with the instructor either with a witness at your side or at least where others can see you. Then based off attitude and future actions you can decide what is next step.

 

[bstone]

Have a great day enough back and forth.

To the OP do it right by addressing the perceived problem with the instructor either with a witness at your side or at least where others can see you. Then based off attitude and future actions you can decide what is next step.

To the OP do it right by addressing the sexual harassment problem with the supervisory staff, in writing and person, Then based off attitude and future actions you can decide what is next step.

 

[firetender]

I am not sure what I am going to do, but I am glad to know that Im not over reacting.

What annoys me about the world we all live in is that, by using legalities and lawyers and threats through institutions we deprive each other of "getting" that sometimes the things we do are inappropriate and hurtful.

Besides the therapeutic effect of you facing the guy square and saying, "NO! You cannot do that to me under any circumstances, refer to me in that way under any conditions and speak about me that way with anyone. Should it happen again, I'll make sure Hell comes down on you." the guy will get the message.

Sure, if it helps have someone with you as you do so. Even more powerful as witnessed.

Be prepared for nothing. This is not about his receiving, it's about you giving it to him right between the eyes. It's you saying "NO!"

If he can't respect you publicly after that, he deserves what you'll dole out. And then, don't be surprised if you actually have an effect!

 

[bstone]

"NO! You cannot do that to me under any circumstances, refer to me in that way under any conditions and speak about me that way with anyone. Should it happen again, I'll make sure Hell comes down on you."

If she says this, with a witness and also delivers it to him in writing them I suppose it's an ok first step.

 

[EMS/LEO505]

From a legal standpoint, what he did is not harassment. Nothing becomes harassment until the victim has instructed the suspect to cease and desist his actions. Only until after that event, does he continue, it becomes harassment.
Right now, he's just looking at being inappropriate towards a student. That's only a violation of an institutional guideline, which most likely in his situation now, depending on factors, he will be but on a suspension with or with out pay.