This cant be good-- First day medic school

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Melclin said:
You guys can't leave it can you. You are seriously saying that because I told a bit of a fib to a person I didn't know and would never see again, for no personal gain whatsoever, other that to get a bit of a boost through my day, that I'm somehow not suited to the job because that means that I will lie to put a person's life on the line and cover my arse? Thats seriously what you're saying? Do you not get the idea of having a laugh, telling a little fib to make a joke.
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Telling a fib by using a title you have not earned?

Ever hear of a little thing called impersonating a Paramedic? That is when you call yourself something you are not especially if it is for your own personal gain.

It could be as malicious as someone claiming to be an EMT scamming the public for billing information (another headline on today's newswire) or just trying to score some a$$ (to quote saucy).
 
Sasha said:
Just a heads up. Personally, if someone told me they were a paramedic and were in fact a paramedic student, I wouldn't date them. And I think many women feel the same way. Not because they are a student but because they lied. Honesty goes a long way.
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Man, if you're not ganna read my posts, don't reply with such patronizing authority. I've never tried to pickup up a girl telling them I'm a paramedic, I said that in my previous post. You guys are making mountains out of molehills. I told you I don't go on the pull, telling people I'm a paramedic. As it happens, I avoid the topic because if I tell a girl I'm clearly interested in, what I will be doing in the future, it sounds like one of lines like "yeah baby, I'm totally a Dr/astronaut/starshipcaptain" (I might add that paramedics are much more highly thought of over here that it would seem they are in the states). It sounds like I'm making it up. So I'd actually prefer not to talk about it.

Like I said, I just thought it would be funny to add that anecdote of the two times I told a girl I'd never see again, that I was a paramedic, just to see what it would be like, cos it seemed like a nice self deprecating thread. I didn't realise the morality police were patrolling.
 
VentMedic said:
Ever hear of a little thing called impersonating a Paramedic? That is when you call yourself something you are not especially if it is for your own personal gain.
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Impersonating a paramedic? Seriously? It's not like I was going around in a uniform, trying to treat people, stealing peoples thunder and actually claiming the title.

GOD, all that happened was that I was asked what I did while I was taking my dog to the vet, I said paramedic (which, given that I have most of my degree and some experience doing paramedic work on clinical placements isn't so far from the truth), the vet said "oh cool", I went red cos she smiled at me, and I took my dog home. Hardly the crime of century.

Look up pedantic in a dictionary. You'll need it.
 
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Melclin said:
Impersonating a paramedic? Seriously? It's not like I was going around in a uniform, trying to treat people, stealing peoples thunder and actually claiming the title.

GOD, all that happened was that I was asked what I did while I was taking my dog to the vet, I said paramedic (which, given that I have most of my degree and some experience doing paramedic work on clinical placements isn't so far from the truth), the vet said "oh cool", I went red cos she smiled at me, and I took my dog home. Hardly the crime of century.

Look up pedantic in a dictionary. You'll need it.
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Close only counts in horseshoes. You either hold the certification or you don't. You may never finish. Are you still going to keep saying you are a Paramedic because you almost finished?

We have had lengthy discussions on this forum about the EMT-B. Many have fought in favor of the EMT-B certification and its importance. Yet, some seem to be too embarrassed to use the title. They realize only when they want to score with the little girls that the Paramedic title is more impressive. So why is the Paramedic title more important when scoring some a$$ than it is in providing medical care? If they believe in the value of the EMT they should have no problem telling someone what they do.

Granted Linuss is now in Paramedic school but why all the embarrasssment about being an EMT? Some have also tried to say the public may not know the difference anyway.
 
VentMedic said:
Close only counts in horseshoes. You either hold the certification or you don't. You may never finish. Are you still going to keep saying you are a Paramedic because you almost finished?

We have had lengthy discussions on this forum about the EMT-B. Many have fought in favor of the EMT-B certification and its importance. Yet, some seem to be too embarrassed to use the title. They realize only when they want to score with the little girls that the Paramedic title is more impressive. So why is the Paramedic title more important when scoring some a$$ than it is in providing medical care? If they believe in the value of the EMT they should have no problem telling someone what they do.

Granted Linuss is now in Paramedic school but why all the embarrasssment about being an EMT? Some have also tried to say the public may not know the difference anyway.
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Well this is where our debate could get a little confusing as our system is so different from yours. The EMT thing is a foreign concept to me. We have paramedics and intensive care paramedics and you have to finish a university degree before being either (intensive care is a masters degree). So I'm not sure the relevance of the whole EMT-B thing as far as I go.

And how many times do I have to tell you that I don't try to score by telling people I'm a paramedic. Look I just bent the truth a little to add what I thought was an amusing anecdote to the conversation. I didn't realize the serious sallies were ganna come along and ruin things. I know I was a bit lame, with the vet and the hair dresser, but I just thought we could have a laugh about it instead of getting all high and mighty.
 
Melclin said:
And how many times do I have to tell you that I don't try to score by telling people I'm a paramedic. Look I just bent the truth a little to add what I thought was an amusing anecdote to the conversation. I didn't realize the serious sallies were ganna come along and ruin things. I know I was a bit lame, with the vet and the hair dresser, but I just thought we could have a laugh about it instead of getting all high and mighty.
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Part of the problem in EMS is that it has not policed itself. Instead, providers have tried to justify poor behavior. They make excuses by blaming it on the public's lack or respect or not knowing what we do and who we are.

You lying to the vet and hair dresser is also a show of disrepect toward them.

Too bad if you are offended when someone calls you on the truth. You gotta expect that occasionally if you want to be a professional and gain people's trust.
 
This is a total wank. I thought we could have a bit of a joke, but clearly not, it always has to be brought back to some larger issue, some flaw in our personalities as young people. I didn't think I'd need to worry about people "pulling me up" as the entire point of the thread was light hearted in the first place.

As far as the hairdresser and the vet are concerned, I suspect they couldn't give two stuffs. Almost no body here would. At the very most they might think I was a bit of a tool and laugh about it if they even cared enough to remember it. The issue of respect wouldn't even come up. You're clutching at straws with that one.

I get it. I was lame. I thought it was funny that I was lame. I thought I could have a joke at my own expense without you guys jumping down my throat about it.

Lighten up man. Honestly, you really should have just looked at the thread and realized it was all a jest and kept your kill joy, serious sally, opinions on the young'ns to yourself.
 
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amberdt03 said:
i don't know about that, i've never seen or heard of a place that allowed emts to tube. unless they are intermediates. which we all know is slowly going bye-bye.
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Combitube is within EMTB scope of practice in Wisconsin and many have done it.
 
Kaisu said:
Combitube is within EMTB scope of practice in Wisconsin and many have done it.
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when i was in emt school, we were told that texas was thinking about making it a basic skill but decided against it.
 
Being trustworthy is important. The Boy Scouts have been onboard with this idea for years and years. Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent.


Better Question... invasive skills are out of your scope as an EMT.

Linuss said:
...Teaching EMT students something in class, not so that they do it, but so they know a bit more at what medics do, is not a bad thing, no matter how you spin it.

We went over EKG basics in my EMT class. My medic preceptors taught me how to start IVs. My nurse preceptors and doctors in fact TOLD me to start a few IVs in the ER.


Obviously, no one is going to do something at a patients expense, and 99% of people can differentiate between a mannequin and a real person. You honestly can't tell me you get angry in your yearly CPR class when someone jokes around with a mannequin
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OK... Why would a RN or EMT-P allow you to preform a skill you have no certification or training for? How can they document that you did it? You say YOU don't lie on a PCR... but if an RN or EMT-P documents that they did a skill that you actually preformed... wouldn't that mean they are lying on THEIR documentation? Wouldn't you be encouraging this lying by putting them in this situation?
 
Jon said:
Being trustworthy is important. The Boy Scouts have been onboard with this idea for years and years. Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent.


Better Question... invasive skills are out of your scope as an EMT.



OK... Why would a RN or EMT-P allow you to preform a skill you have no certification or training for? How can they document that you did it? You say YOU don't lie on a PCR... but if an RN or EMT-P documents that they did a skill that you actually preformed... wouldn't that mean they are lying on THEIR documentation? Wouldn't you be encouraging this lying by putting them in this situation?
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The doctors told me to do IV's on a few patients. I told them I was never trained on how to do them because I was just in EMT school. They said, doesn't matter, they'll teach me if I want to, but I still declined with the fact that I wasn't comfortable doing them.


And again, Texas is a delegate practice state--- if a doctor teaches you something and allows you to do it, certification means NILL.







PS--- This topic went down hill fast... all I wanted to know is if it was normal to want to poke EMT students with needles :P
 
Linuss said:
The doctors told me to do IV's on a few patients. I told them I was never trained on how to do them because I was just in EMT school. They said, doesn't matter, they'll teach me if I want to, but I still declined with the fact that I wasn't comfortable doing them.


And again, Texas is a delegate practice state--- if a doctor teaches you something and allows you to do it, certification means NILL.


PS--- This topic went down hill fast... all I wanted to know is if it was normal to want to poke EMT students with needles :P
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But, were IVs included in the insurance statement or agreement with the school? Doctors can say alot but if the hospital and your school has not made such provisions, then someone will be left hangin' and the school could lose its privileges at that facility. The doctor will just say they should have known better since it will be your word against his.

The delegate practice applies to your Medical Director who should know your abilities before he orders you to do something. Outside of that you will practice within the guidelines of the school and the agreement with the hospital.
 
VentMedic said:
There does appear to be reasons why the rules were stressed on the first day of your class.
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We were told, and I believe them, that there was a name by more or less every rule/regulation we had to adhear by in class... Some of the stories that came up... Makes one wonder how some people are even allowed to pass. :wacko:
 
Linuss said:
You're arguing in vain, Vent;
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I was just stating that one should check the facts if they are not specifically included in their curriculum.

Some don't understand what a delegate state means and it doesn't mean you can do anything or everything.
 
She means in ACTUALLY OR in EFFECT it doesn't. That was the main point of her post, supported by her explanations.

Yes, you would be legal in performing the actual act, but as far as potential consequences the delegation doesn't preclude you them...which she believes are so serious that it in effect prevents you from doing it.
 
AnthonyM83 said:
She means in ACTUALLY OR in EFFECT it doesn't. That was the main point of her post, supported by her explanations.

Yes, you would be legal in performing the actual act, but as far as potential consequences the delegation doesn't preclude you them...which she believes are so serious that it in effect prevents you from doing it.
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/facepalm.
 
amberdt03 said:
when i was in emt school, we were told that texas was thinking about making it a basic skill but decided against it.
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Your allowed to use a combitube as a basic in Texas and have been for as long as I can remember...maybe it's just your medical director that does not allow it.
 
Afflixion said:
Your allowed to use a combitube as a basic in Texas and have been for as long as I can remember...maybe it's just your medical director that does not allow it.
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i've only been an emt for 3 years and i have never heard of a company in texas that allows emts to use combi-tubes
 
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