the 100% directionless thread

I am as far from impetuous as one can get. I never do anything that carries any weight without research, much forethought and, henceforth, any accumulation of knowledge or training of any sort. I would never even think about something as important as purchasing and possibly using a gun lightly. The reason I'm even considering it is that I feel that I may be in danger and I think I would be remiss if I didn't consider all my options regarding my personal safety. I may decide that a gun is not right for me. Who knows. But I will definitely consider it and approach it extremely responsibly.
 
Unless she got an UTAS UTS-15. Bull pup design to keep it short and 15 rounds of screw you. However, I still agree with your point. Saddens me, because I am on a shooting team and all we do is shotgun so those are second nature for me to shoot and what I would feel most comfortable using as far as ability goes.
 
A good place for you to start might just to be to go to one of your local gun stores and ask about a class you could take. Learn right from the beginning and if you decide it is right for you, then take the plunge and buy whatever gun you decide is right for your needs.
 
StCEMT said:
Unless she got an UTAS UTS-15. Bull pup design to keep it short and 15 rounds of screw you. However, I still agree with your point. Saddens me, because I am on a shooting team and all we do is shotgun so those are second nature for me to shoot and what I would feel most comfortable using as far as ability goes.
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Last I heard the UTAS-15 had severe reliability issues (jamming every few rounds). The kel-tec KSG is a similar concept but is much more reliable. https://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/ksg/shotgun/
 
Ah, that's the one I actually got to hold a while back. Odd looking gun, but genius design and actually feels pretty good. I don't know much about them though, I am a clay shooter so my knowledge is more in that realm.
 
The only advantage a shotgun has is it generally has less penetration than nonfrangible rounds fired from a rifle or some pistols. But then again, I have a 10mm with federal jhp rounds and a Remington 870 with rifled slugs at the bedside
 
I feel like the good old AR-15 doesn't get enough love when people talk about home defense. It's relatively compact, its lightweight rounds will actually penetrate less than many handgun bullets which are heavier, you get a 30-round magazine and the benefit of a red dot sight to help you put a bullet in the right place, virtually no recoil so follow-up shots are fast easy and accurate (also makes it a great option for women and/or people who don't practice as much as they should).

A rifle is awkward to maneuver around corners inside a house, so you change your strategy and play to its strengths... If somebody broke into my house, I'd be posting up at the end of a hallway or locking the door and hiding in my bedroom behind cover with rifle pointed at the door from across the room. A rifle is great for that - not so much for going room to room checking on things. When I hear a bump in the night that I'm 90% sure is nothing, I grab a handgun and go investigate. If I were to hear breaking glass, people moving around, etc, I'd grab the rifle, stay put and call 911. Just, lord have mercy on my hearing if I ever have to shoot a 5.56 indoors...

For a new gun owner, I feel like you can't go wrong buying an AR-15 and your choice of compact (ie able to be concealed, even if you don't plan to carry) handgun in 9mm or .40s&w caliber (glock, smith and wesson M+P, etc).
 
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Mosin-Nagant M44 for the home-defense lols. Fireballs, armor-piercing ammunition and a bayonet/steel buttplate for face smashing. If it was good enough for Berlin '45, it's good enough for Casa Verde.

On a serious note, my 38 Special is a viable option. Need a Glock or something too.
 
"Работа болт!"
 
Gurby said:
I feel like the good old AR-15 doesn't get enough love when people talk about home defense. It's relatively compact, its lightweight rounds will actually penetrate less than many handgun bullets which are heavier, you get a 30-round magazine and the benefit of a red dot sight to help you put a bullet in the right place, virtually no recoil so follow-up shots are fast easy and accurate (also makes it a great option for women and/or people who don't practice as much as they should).

A rifle is awkward to maneuver around corners inside a house, so you change your strategy and play to its strengths... If somebody broke into my house, I'd be posting up at the end of a hallway or locking the door and hiding in my bedroom behind cover with rifle pointed at the door from across the room. A rifle is great for that - not so much for going room to room checking on things. When I hear a bump in the night that I'm 90% sure is nothing, I grab a handgun and go investigate. If I were to hear breaking glass, people moving around, etc, I'd grab the rifle, stay put and call 911. Just, lord have mercy on my hearing if I ever have to shoot a 5.56 indoors...

For a new gun owner, I feel like you can't go wrong buying an AR-15 and your choice of compact (ie able to be concealed, even if you don't plan to carry) handgun in 9mm or .40s&w caliber (glock, smith and wesson M+P, etc).
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I like the idea of the red dot. That would potentially put the fear of God into someone. Could be a deterrent in and of itself.
 
ViolynEMT said:
I like the idea of the red dot. That would potentially put the fear of God into someone. Could be a deterrent in and of itself.
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A red dot is a sight you put on a gun. I think you're thinking of a laser/ light combo type of attachment.
 
ViolynEMT said:
I like the idea of the red dot. That would potentially put the fear of God into someone. Could be a deterrent in and of itself.
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Some may disagree with me but you're not buying a gun as a deterrent...you don't rack a shotgun to scare someone away, you keep it loaded so all you have to do is click off the safety and protect yourself. Same goes for pointing a laser at someone that's mounted on a rifle.

If you're pulling a firearm and pointing it at someone who's in your home you need to be ready and willing to pull the trigger and take someone's life to defend your own.

Personally if someone was in my house they wouldn't have time to notice the laser dot on them.

I used to think about it from the scare tactic angle however after lots of talking, reading and training it's changed my position on it.
 
ViolynEMT said:
I like the idea of the red dot. That would potentially put the fear of God into someone. Could be a deterrent in and of itself.
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As @CALEMT said a red dot is a sight that attaches to a gun. It displays a red dot on a glass screen so that you can see where you shot will go. It does not project light onto the target.

You can get a laser light attachment that will fit on some guns with mounting rails (normally not found or carried on CCW). Those do project a dot onto the target that is visible.
 
Handsome Robb said:
Some may disagree with me but you're not buying a gun as a deterrent...you don't rack a shotgun to scare someone away, you keep it loaded so all you have to do is click off the safety and protect yourself. Same goes for pointing a laser at someone that's mounted on a rifle.

If you're pulling a firearm and pointing it at someone who's in your home you need to be ready and willing to pull the trigger and take someone's life to defend your own.

Personally if someone was in my house they wouldn't have time to notice the laser dot on them.

I used to think about it from the scare tactic angle however after lots of talking, reading and training it's changed my position on it.
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I realize that I have to be prepared to shoot to kill. I'm being extremely diligent in this process. I'm the type of person that approaches things responsibly and with much research, training, knowledge, forethought,etc............ I was responding to Gurby's suggestion of a gun. Kind of joking with him. I am not taking any of this lightly. Seriously.
Hell, I may end up not getting one at all.
 
I would probably be most comfortable with a carbine length AR platform for personal home defense. Why? Because I've spent the last 8 years training with an M4 oftentimes specifically for CQB/Room clearing

Don't get me wrong, I'm not some high speed door kicking Tier 1 secret squirrel, but overall I feel I have more actual training carrying one through close quarters than many who opine online about this (I'm not thinking any of you guys here like that, but your typical Internet hero airsofter lol)
 
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