Super EMTs?

rescuepoppy said:
This however should not be a part of a basic class,rather astand alone class after the medical part is completed.
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I absolutely agree that the "medical" components of an EMT-B course should be first priority, however I do not think that it's necessarily a bad thing to include these extra elements as long as they do not preclude any of the important stuff.

For example, towards the end of my course we spent a day with a FD and a local air medical service on extrication and working with the helicopter. Yes, it was a blast to cut up cars and land a helicopter. However, a lot of important pertinent information was learned, because the focus was always on safety (ie: don't stick your head in front of an air bag at an MVA and don't get close to the tail rotors) and patient care (ie: what methods of extrication are appropriate for particular pt. and/or scene conditions, when is air evac a good option for tx).

These basic skills are vital for a very large number of those working in EMS not only in my area, but across the country. Yes, spending time in EMT class doing stuff like dive rescue or high-angle rock rescue will probably be a waste of time for most, but there are some "rescue extras" that are likely beneficial.
 
VentMedic said:
But if you have no prior medical experience, he could have just been spinning a good tale and you may never know the difference. Remember the old saying "Just dazzle them with BS when you don't have the answers to their questions".

Some instructors are also voted most popular by the cool stories they tell instead of talking about all that boring medical stuff in the book.

Sections that require special knowledge and skills such as those pertaining to the environment or wilderness may be taught by someone who has experience. However, I have sat in on some SCUBA classes given by "experienced" divers that are just dangerous in that they have learned too many dangerous shortcuts and have forgotten the basic priniciples.
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Agreed. As a newbie, you have no real idea who is teaching you, only that they have more knowledge and experience than you... but no telling what constitues "more". You can have a EMT instructor who is a great instructor that prepares you for the test and for real life... or you can have a MICN/CCP who has spent too much time in school and not enough in real life and teaches you nothing. In my case (in hind sight) I was lucky as the instructors I had are highly regarded the area as was the program I attended and turned out a great number of excellent EMTs and Medics... mind you that none of those instructors are around anymore, and the program has since gone down hill.

rescuepoppy said:
I know from some situations I have been in it would be nice to have parmedics who are trained in rope rescue and other fields,but this should not be built in with the EMT-B program. Every area has its own special needs that medical personnel have to deal with at one time or another. We recently ran into a call where a patient was trapped on top of a water tower with a possible femur fracture. We were on scene with this patient for close to an hour rigging every thing to lower him to the ground with only basics and intermediates tending to him. Three paramedics who were on the call had no training in high angle work.so we had to wait on giving pain meds until two medics who are also volunteers with our rescue unit to get back from an out of town trip to give any pain meds to this patient. And as an answer to an earlier Question two of the medics that were on scene had just returned to service after a call at a nursing home. So yes we should be prepared to handle what evr might come in in our area. This however should not be a part of a basic class,rather astand alone class after the medical part is completed.
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Considering that rope certification is even easier to attain than EMT cert (I know, hard to believe) it makes sense for Medics and EMTs to consider getting the training... in addition to EMS training... not part of it!

LucidResq said:
I absolutely agree that the "medical" components of an EMT-B course should be first priority, however I do not think that it's necessarily a bad thing to include these extra elements as long as they do not preclude any of the important stuff.

For example, towards the end of my course we spent a day with a FD and a local air medical service on extrication and working with the helicopter. Yes, it was a blast to cut up cars and land a helicopter. However, a lot of important pertinent information was learned, because the focus was always on safety (ie: don't stick your head in front of an air bag at an MVA and don't get close to the tail rotors) and patient care (ie: what methods of extrication are appropriate for particular pt. and/or scene conditions, when is air evac a good option for tx).

These basic skills are vital for a very large number of those working in EMS not only in my area, but across the country. Yes, spending time in EMT class doing stuff like dive rescue or high-angle rock rescue will probably be a waste of time for most, but there are some "rescue extras" that are likely beneficial.
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The DOT course work for EMT-B does include a chapter (in AAOS and Brady) on water rescue safety, helicopter safety, scene safety, etc... so I can understand spending a day with Fire, who know that stuff (I hope); it sure beats sitting in clas seeing power point on it! But that is a far cry from including ropes and trench and confined space rescue in with the EMT course. The "rescue extras" need to be seperate and only for those who will be doing it in real life.
 
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Usually thirty minutes is enough unless you are responsible for providing rescue. Then Rescue should be a specialized and in-depth course.

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The website says the class is held two days a week for four hours and some weekends. That is barely enough for an EMT class.
 
WHOP DE DOO!

The title of this thread and the news story had me laughing into tears! Super EMT? EMT-Super. Dear lord just when you think EMS cannot get any worse, someone comes up with something like this. Wow. It is like a child's cartoon.

Super Doctor and Super Nurses are next.
 
This article reminds me of a a local newspaper who did a story on a fire company that hosted a 16hr traumatic brain injury course. The paper really talked up the EMT's as being able to provide superior brain injury care and even made a claim that this department's EMT's could provide better care to the TBI patient then other county EMS personnel because of the 16hr course... it was a funny article and laugh of the county.
 
daedalus said:
WHOP DE DOO!

The title of this thread and the news story had me laughing into tears! Super EMT? EMT-Super. Dear lord just when you think EMS cannot get any worse, someone comes up with something like this. Wow. It is like a child's cartoon.

Super Doctor and Super Nurses are next.
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I's like to stay here and discuss how rude I think it is to laugh at us Super Hero EMT's... but I have a have a 80 y/o blue bloater that is trapped comfortably on her bed on the first floor of a SNF that I need to rappel to so that I can transport her to dialysis... (humming them to superman as I fly code 3...) :P

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I Do Believe I have Found a New Avater For Me...​
 
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Mountain Res-Q said:
I's like to stay here and discuss how rude I think it is to laugh at us Super Hero EMT's... but I have a have a 80 y/o blue bloater that is trapped comfortably on her bed on the first floor of a SNF that I need to rappel to so that I can transport her to dialysis... (humming them to superman as I fly code 3...) :P

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I Do Believe I have Found a New Avater For Me...​
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LOL funny. You can get rich on tshirt sells.​
 
Unfortunately, I have routinely seen EMT-B "instructors" teaching EMT-B classes without any real medical knowledge or even any college-level training. This has led to some things that honestly frighten me. I have seen things that are absolutely wrong taught...such as the Fowler-Trendelenburg, which is like this \_/, for trauma patients. I mean, what the...what...you need all the blood in your butt or what?

Also, I recently saw a flaming ambulance pass me, I kid you not. Flaming. It was on fire. With a patient.

Yep, professional EMS baby...

:o
 
EMT-Supers (EMT-S or SEMT) are known to drive flaming ambulances to increase the stress and adrenalin of everyone around.
 
daedalus said:
EMT-Supers (EMT-S or SEMT) are known to drive flaming ambulances to increase the stress and adrenalin of everyone around.
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I've never seen a flaming ambulance. Do they have a little rainbow flag on them? Do they look fabulous?
 
No, they look to be doing 47 MPH without any front tire and starting two brush fires...it gets worse, but I'll not get this too off topic. I'm still freaked out at what I saw, not kidding.

Although it sounds funny, I've never been more frightened that this is apparently acceptable. Sheared the front tire in half and drove code on it for 3.4 miles for a patient that was released within the hour for a routine problem.

Anyway, that's enough from me.
 
I kid you not, there is a BLS IFT here in Ft Worth called "Soldier EMS". They drive vanbulances that are painted with yellow and black flames.

I've search all around for a pic, but can't find any.
 
 
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JPINFV said:
I've never seen a flaming ambulance. Do they have a little rainbow flag on them? Do they look fabulous?
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No joking there is a local private service that is Gay/Lesbian oriented and their equipment (spider straps, etc) is rainbow colored and has a rainbow flag on it. Then again we also have one that is geared to our large Hispanic population also.
 
Medic744 said:
Then again we also have one that is geared to our large Hispanic population also.
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Old toilet bowl planter on the roof, a pot of refried beans warming on the manifold, and a siren that plays La Cucaracha?

For your information.. I can say that due to my heritage... No need for righteous indignation from anyone. The hispanic portion of my family would be laughing. ^_^
 
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Mountain Res-Q said:
Old toilet bowl planter on the roof, a pot or refried beans warming on the manifold, and a siren that plays La Cucaracha?

For your information.. I can say that due to my heritage... No need for righteous indignation from anyone. The hispanic portion of my family would be laughing. ^_^
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LOL I can find that hilarious and pretty true to form with my heritage!!!
 
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