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The moment that the OP touched the patient he became required to continue care until someone of equal or higher training took over. If the volly FF folks are not EMTs then the OP would be required to continue care until that could be provided.

There needs to be a lot more mutual respect for one another. We are professionals and this isn't a pissing contest. While I bet impersonation does happen I don't think we need to suspect that is the case a majority of the time. Let's keep that in mind when we arrive on scene and find someone already helping out. I think helping in this way in a good thing.
 
bstone said:
The moment that the OP touched the patient he became required to continue care until someone of equal or higher training took over. If the volly FF folks are not EMTs then the OP would be required to continue care until that could be provided.

There needs to be a lot more mutual respect for one another. We are professionals and this isn't a pissing contest. While I bet impersonation does happen I don't think we need to suspect that is the case a majority of the time. Let's keep that in mind when we arrive on scene and find someone already helping out. I think helping in this way in a good thing.
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Does that really apply if your off duty as well? I have arrived on scene where a nurse is already helping the patient. Then when we arrive the nurse let's us take over. And they vanish into the background.

And that whole rule about not giving over care to someone who is of less of training is a little iffy. On those medical calls from the urgent care to the ER, the patient is under the care of a doctor or a nurse in the urgent care. And then they are handing you (a lesser trained person) the patient.
 
I think the rule applies a bit more flexibly if you are off duty. However, t/f care from an EMT to not-yet-FR is unacceptable. From an EMT-I who stops to help to an EMT-B from the fire service is probably fine. I suspect that's the same for an RN who stops to help and an ambulance arrives. From urgent care to ER is allowed as it's inter-facility transport and EMTs work as physician extenders.
 
bstone said:
I think the rule applies a bit more flexibly if you are off duty. However, t/f care from an EMT to not-yet-FR is unacceptable. From an EMT-I who stops to help to an EMT-B from the fire service is probably fine. I suspect that's the same for an RN who stops to help and an ambulance arrives. From urgent care to ER is allowed as it's inter-facility transport and EMTs work as physician extenders.
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For me I would ask the crew on scene if they wanted me to stay or leave. All that is protecting me would be the Good S law. Where was the Volly FF is protected thru his company.

I understand about the rule but everywhere I have read and even during EMT school they said it only applies to if your on duty.
 
What I find ridiculous about this whole scenario is that no actual consideration is being given to the pt, who is the one all parties are supposedly there to help. Imagine being a scared, injured, elderly driver and having the first two people who come to "help" you arguing and yelling at each other about who gets a privledge to render care. Its really a shocking lack of competence on both sides.

If I was the victim, I'd tell both on duty and off duty rescuers to leave me alone and id call a taxi.
 
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I agree, which is why we have to approach each other with respect and view each other as professionals. If you have a problem then talk about it in private AFTER your patient has been taken care of.
 
Did you try the poke the spine test?
 
HA! I just showed my partner that video tonight. We had a fire crew try and c-spine a drunk girl who fell off of a chair. She was GCS 15, no complaints of pain and puking her guts out. The reason she tried to stand up was because she thought she was going to throw up.
 
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