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Hello every one, I am new to this forum and I am not an EMT or Paramedic.

I have been working for a grocery store for past 3 years as a department manager but I am unhappy with my job. Money is OK (15/h) but the company I work for and management do not make me happy. I have been thinking very hard of becoming a firefighter but I know the field is tight. So I figured I'd get me Paramedic cert. and if I become a firefighter grate, if not I can always work for an ambulance.

I figured with paramedic cert I would start at around 15 per hour right? Also my local school offers EMT for $1500 but I would have to come up with cash right away. My other option is to go to Keiser Carrier College and get my deploma in EMS which is EMT/Paramedic and the cost is 30k but the financial aid advisor said it would probably cost me 16k after scollarships and grants.

I dont know what to do guys, I already have a degree in business and it did nothing for me as far as new job or more money. I dont know if getting another school loan for 16k is a right thing to do, what if I dont find a job, what if I wont be able to handle seeing a body with parts missing from an accident. My girl friend just graduated in medical field and she is encouraging me to go.
 
Whatever you do...

do not under any circumstances pay $30,000 or even $16,000 for Paramedic school.

Unless you're receiving a 4 year BS degree for that price, you're getting ripped off.
 
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Wow my emt class was only around $1000. It's not as easy as you think becoming a Paramedic like BAM. You must become an EMT-B first, honest you will make less however its a more rewarding career if your looking for a new line of work. I'm in a class with many many people similiar to you. With jobs but it just doesn't cut it. EMT is a very competitive field but as long as you get certified everything will work itself out in the end. You might want to consider getting fire certified as well...

But yeah EMT-B = 1 semester...go work for about 2 years then paramedic class about 3 semesters or 4...
 
I agree.... DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES PAY THAT MUCH FOR PARAMEDIC SCHOOL. For that much, you really had better be getting a Bachelor's Degree from an accredited college. Outside of the Fire Service, you'll likely be hard pressed to find any Paramedic job that pays as much as $15/hr to start. If you want to get your feet wet, take an EMT course at a JC and try to get a part-time gig. Otherwise, find your way into a different medical field. The potential for advancement as a medic into other areas of medicine is about zero. Don't get me wrong... it's fun as all get-out. I'm looking at getting into Nursing. Why? Simple. The money's good, the scenery changes, and they let me use explosives. Ok? (Oh wait, wrong movie) ;)

While an RN program may be somewhat difficult, I do not fear the course load. The skill-set is closer to what I have already, my base of knowledge is actually pretty significant, so incorporating the new info would not be too difficult. I do not expect to breeze through though. I expect it to be challenging.

I'm going that route because once RN licensed, if I get tired of working in one area, I can relatively easily retrain for another field without having to go back to school for 2 years (or more) to switch fields.
 
So I figured I'd get me Paramedic cert. and if I become a firefighter grate, if not I can always work for an ambulance.

Aside from the multiple spelling errors for someone with a business degree and in business (this is important to your scenario as you will have reports to write), the above statement is what jumped out at me.

The prices quoted for school are ridiculous, but I don't care about that right now. Maybe it will be cost prohibitive and prevent you from entering the field, especially when you say stuff like above.

So you want to be a firefighter, figure you will get your medic to help and if that doesn't work out, oh well I will work on an ambulance. Not exactly what we are looking for in the field these days...who wants sloppy seconds, who wants to settle? Your future patients deserve better.
 
1500 for an EMT-B class? Wow Mine was $470 which includes the price of the NREMT test. The paramedic class I'm looking at getting into in Feb. is right about $5800. I would suggest looking for other classes at the prices you said.

Also I think that being in this field is something to not take lightly. You want to be sure that you want to do this. It tends to be a stressful job.
 
I have taught many would be firefighters who took a paramedic class.

I don't think it will be quite the change you hope for. So let me get out my crystal ball and look into how this all plays out.

You take your EMT class. It is easy and you pass with flying colours. You're in for $1500. at minimum wage (what you can expect in the current clime for ~120 hours of class and everyone who thought it would be a quick career change) You now have to work for 200 hours to make up that money. Half what you are making now.

What will you be doing? Your old job. so you only have to work 100 hours.

Otherwise you will enter the often unknown world of Interfacility transport. You will be the low guy on the totem pole, lifting people up, putting them on the cot, driving them somewhere, and putting them back. You will not always get a break, you will be rushed in the goal of always getting more transports, not given the tools to do a good job. Depending on your area, you may never see an emergency ever. Ask around, life will truly suck while you hope somebody is hiring firemen and getting into the testing and turned down routine of that. (sometimes it takes years, many never succeed)

Now you will definately see the need to be a paramedic. Not only to help you on your fire test. But you can not compare paramedic class to EMT class or any other class you may have had. It takes total commitment. You will be responsible for material not covered in class, as well as background things such as chemistry concepts you may never have had. It is my opinion anyone who can complete paramedic class could complete medical school. The intensity doesn't change, only the length is different.

After an average cost of between 5K and 12K depending on the school, you now get a pay raise in IFT to let's say $15/hour, more likely around 13. You will be very happy because you just doubled your money. But at that cost. It is 333 to 666 hours to break even of your IFT job.

Now if you haven't got on an FD yet, I will bet money you will absolutely hate with passion going to work everyday. You will start searching out better paramedic jobs. The competition is even more tight for that. ED techs find various level of hapiness.(Usually if you can accept always being the low guy in the hospital) In fairness, my time in the ED as a medic was the best time as a medic I ever had. Flight medic, critical care ground, an telemetry monitor where you stare at EKG screens all day and call somebody if anything changes. You might get the best of luck and score an overseas job. An inudstrial clinic, or if you like ships, something there. Likely you will have to relocate and work for a reputable emergency EMS service. (Which comes not only with a move, but high competition from people across the country)

But don't count on getting one of those jobs. They are looking for career minded paramedics. Who live and breath prehospital medicine. They know a fire flunky when they see them. Having that label creates a lot of difficulty. Plus if fire was your goal, you may never have the motivation and passion you need to be a successful medic. It will be blantantly obvious to all. Who wants to hire a disgruntled employee who doesn't enjoy what they do?

You are back to the IFT game. For the rest of your EMS career. Have fun.

Now don't get me wrong, there is lots to be learned in IFT, and some find it enjoyable. But there is a caviat. The people who enjoy it, work for reputable companies, I assure you in IFT they are very very rare. Also combination services that do both Emergency and IFT have enough diversity to break up the monotony of IFT. But again, good companies are hard to find and hard to get onto.

But your biggest hurdle will be paramedic class. I have seen many "I'm just doing this for a fire job over the years." They struggle, everyday is the test or quiz that can fail them out. They cannot get around the idea that being a paramedic is about knowledge. From their EMT experience all they see is the skills end. (because you can't see a person's thought process) They often do fail and find themselves paying to come back. Those people are truly unhappy. Especially when they fail near the end. Plus they are still chasing the fire dream. 10's of thousands of dollars wasted. Year of their life. Strains on their relations.

Depending on their area they will get a part time fire job or a volunteer job. So they will still have to have a full time employer to eat.

I hate to be the voice of doom. But people just don't understand what they are in for. They certainly don't understand the level of competition for fire jobs and the fallout untill you win that lottery.

In my home area the 4 paramedic programs graduate a total of about 300 paramedics a semester. The local departments hire 1 or 2 people every 2-4 years. Many are laying staff off, and they will be recalled before new ones are hired.

You could get a nursing degree at our local state college for about 24-30K total, they make much better money than the IFT medics. You will find EMS as the "back up" is a very dismal opportunity.

Good luck.
 
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^ +1 to everything Veneficus said

alot of departments throughout the country are on a freeze, right now there are two ways to get into a department:

1) Your dad is the Fire Chief...
2) Volunteer/Reserve Fire for a while..

You have a better chance at winning the Lottery than testing into any department, unfortunately that is how the field is right now..
Getting your Paramedic Cert is a requirement for alot of departments now-a-days..

now from your post it seems like your trying to get in this field for the money.. which if in this case you are then you are absolutely in the wrong field.. Alot of EMT's and even Medics get paid peanuts in Private Companies (EMT's= Minimum Wage for 911, $10-12/Hr for IFT's), Medics= $12-14=911, 16-18= IFT's...

Id recommend getting your RN, once your an RN you can always challenge the Paramedic exam and get your Medic Cert... (if you still wanted to be a Medic)

and dont pay $16k for Medic School, go to a Local Community college and take their program for a fraction of the cost
 
Another big thing about how much you will get paid is where you live. I know I make more than a 911 EMT in a lot of places in CA
 
Thank you every one for your time and input in my delema. Man reading this at 7:48 in the morning is a real wake up call. As far as my spelling goes, I was not born in the states and although I speak perfect english; my spelling is far from it :)

I dont know what to do now, you guys have valid points. I did not think being a medic would be a settlement vs being a "fire junky". I do want to help people, I really do. I would just prefer a firefighter rather then a paramedic. I'm definitely going to have to cancel that appointment with the guy on Tuesday.

Thank you guys once again.
 
So jealous. So so jealous.

Heheh thanks, like I said its OK. Its not like I just go to work, do my job and get paid. I have to listen to nonesence from higher ups, from my imidiate supervisors and costumers. Sometimes I feel like my hire ups lost their common sense years ego and are looking for it and cannot find it LOL
 
Its like you already work in EMS! With better pay.
 
Heheh thanks, like I said its OK. Its not like I just go to work, do my job and get paid. I have to listen to nonesence from higher ups, from my imidiate supervisors and costumers. Sometimes I feel like my hire ups lost their common sense years ego and are looking for it and cannot find it LOL

My boyfriend just quit his grocery store job to focus on finishing his fire science degree, various FD hiring processes (they are time-consuming), and hopefully paramedic school soon.

I'd recommend volunteering with a FD, preferably one that transports patients with some frequency, and getting your EMT before quitting your job or making any life-altering decisions. Make sure you really like it first, and the experience will be helpful if you decide to go ahead with your plan.

It is extremely difficult to get hired as a firefighter and having volunteer experience is almost necessary in some areas. However, it sounds like you speak another language and if it's Spanish or anything commonly spoken in your area, you have an edge. Having a degree of any sort = bonus points as well. Honestly, if you have a squeaky clean record, are in good shape, have a degree, speak another language and can test well... your chances are probably pretty good. It might just take a few years of repeated application and rejection to finally get there.
 
I agree with everyone on here but with one problem... If you want to be a fire fighter go for it!! Don't let everyone talk you out of something if you could really seeing you self doing good in the field. I am 29yrs old with a AS degree in computer science. My family background is military, nurses, cops and fire fighters so at 27 I felt like I strayed away. Every time I saw a cop car or a rescue truck going code-3 I would kick my self in the butt because I wanted to be there. I have a 5 yr old and a wife to support so making 10 bucks an hr wont cut it.

But I am getting the education under me (i`m in medic school) and working at the same time. I would really like to be a fire fighter but I found a new passion in emt/medic school. I love the way the body works and the cop like feeling you get when your trying to help someone. My plan is to pass medic, apply for jobs after fire and then start nursing school. If something opens up in nursing school good if not... At least i`ll have a RN degree to fall back on.. and my computer science degree
 
Perfect Job for you. Join The Military! You'll get to pick from a broad selection of jobs, Medic or Corpsman is a possibility. The upside, you get paid. you serve your county, you help people, plus you get all the chicks. plus Veterans get a ton of benefits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlC_JOoS0D8

(you'll prolley not get the job your recruiter promises and you will most likely be sent to Afghanistan)
 
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