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I completely agree. She should lose her nursing license, and of course will be found guilty in the civil trial that is sure to come. That's plenty. Criminal charges should require intent to do harm, or at least intent to do something that you know has a high likelihood of causing harm to someone. I don't think that is in evidence here.Terrible precedent. Yes, she errored. Revocation of licensure is appropriate. However, there was no ill intent, no malice, and although she was neglectful, it was understandable.
From FindLaw.com:
Reckless vs. Criminally Negligent Homicide
Reckless homicide and criminally negligent homicide are more loosely defined in Tennessee to address the wide variety of behaviors that could be considered beyond the realm of acceptable to the degree that the actions are criminal. One example of reckless homicide is playing Russian roulette by picking up a gun with a single bullet in it and shooting it at a friend. There's a substantial risk the friend will die. In comparison, picking up a gun you believe is empty but failed to check before shooting at your friend could be criminally negligent, as you should have looked to be sure it was empty but had no knowledge or belief that it was loaded.
Criminal charges will only chill future reporting of errors and will establish precedent for punishing people for errors.
I tend to agree, though because of all the publicity surrounding this event, that's what they're going to do. There was no ill intent, no malice, no overt criminal intent. The nurse didn't want to kill the patient. Basically, if any sort of a criminal charge should be filed, it'd be some kind of unintentional/negligent homicide.Criminal charges are the not the correct remedy here
just because this wasn't an intentional action doesn't mean it doesn't rise to the level of criminal.Terrible precedent. Yes, she errored. Revocation of licensure is appropriate. However, there was no ill intent, no malice, and although she was neglectful, it was understandable.
I agree, it wasn't intentional, so maybe the proper charge is unintentional/negligent homicide, not reckless.... I'll let someone with a law degree figure that out.There was no ill intent, no malice, no overt criminal intent. The nurse didn't want to kill the patient. Basically, if any sort of a criminal charge should be filed, it'd be some kind of unintentional/negligent homicide.
That is likely an accurate statement, yet there is a push for more transparency in similar events (for example, PD involved shootings). Maybe they should be publicized more, and the investigation more transparent, so it doesn't look like a major cover-up?It's also worth pointing out that medication errors resulting in serious harm or death are probably much more common than most realize. They are usually covered up, or at least not publicized. Vandy tried to cover this one up and almost got away with it.
the "system" can put all the restrictions in place, but at the end of the day, it's the nurse's fault. Maybe the "system" needs to put more restrictions in place, to prevent people from bypassing safety systems, and existing checks, and prevent a nurse from giving a medication that she hasn't verified is the correct medication (I mean, imagine if the medication restocker dropped a vec bottle in the versed section of the Pyxis, that would also have been bad if the nurse gave it without reading the actual medication), or one of a hundred other controls that medical personnel will complain about, because this one nurse messed up in a really big way.They didn't come clean until CMS found out, and then they threw this nurse under the bus, as if the system had no responsibility at all.
i believe conspiracy requires an intentional act, assault or battery is possible, depending on consent, and I wouldn't even know what maiming/mayhem was. my legal background isn't strong enough to say for sure
but if that unintentional wrong site surgery results in the person dying on the table? Such as the right lung is not functioning and is supposed to be removed but the surgeon takes the left out by mistake? Should the entire periop staff be charged? probably not. But the provider who did the act? you'd have to ask an attorney what the criminal levels are.
what about this: an anesthesiologist gives the incorrect meds when putting a person under for routine knee surgery. but they still go unconscious. while the surgery is going on, he steps out to take a phone call and has a nurse cover him. the nurse notices the patient's vitals deteriorating, calls for the doc to notify him but he says "5 more minutes, the patient will be fine." 10 minutes later he walks in, patient is turning blue, and and doc starts screaming at the nurse. patient dies. Should that be a criminal act? a negligent act? was the death preventable? More accurately, if he had pushed the right medication, and properly monitored the patient, this likely wouldn't have happened.
Yes, you will need to make policy adjustments, add additional controls when needed, but at the end of the day, the onus should fall on the provider to do their job to the level that they are trained to. Once they fail to do that, it's all downhill, and bad things happen. Personal accountability seems to have fallen out of favor in modern times.
But I will agree with you: the system does bear some responsibility in this.... likely 90% nurse and 10% system.
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I couldn't agree more.The ruling is a huge setback for the healthcare industry.
This should probably be kept in the domain of licensure and civil damages.
However, I do find many in the healthcare community are trying to shift all blame onto the “system”. I find that a very troubling trend; where is the personal accountability and responsibility? People keep saying this is a “systemic failure”; I don’t think it is. Multiple safeguards were bypassed, for one reason or another. Aside from what should be routine manual validation of drug and dose, the Pyxis was overridden and the medication wasn’t scanned at any point. Either of these systemic safeguards could have prevented this tragedy. Additional institutional controls don’t work when individuals categorically ignore them, as happens routinely both in this case and in ERs everywhere. No one has explained to me how n+2 safeguards would’ve prevented this, when people already find n safeguards cumbersome, time-consuming, and not worth following.
The true “systemic” change needs to be a culture change, of following the existing safeguards every time. And I think it needs to be driven by the individual.
How is this outcome better than a civil lawsuit?
This should probably be kept in the domain of licensure and civil damages.