Laziness, the EMS disease.

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What is it with EMS that we are so incredibly lazy?

Half the people I work with would rather take an elevator and wait 5 minutes for it then walk the stairs in under half the time.

I've had cardiac arrests on the second floor and my partner waits for the elevator.

Is this just in NYC or is this a worldwide problem?

We work a physically demanding job and many will never set foot in a gym.

(god knows a good chunk of EMS workers need the exercise)
 
It's is a worldwide disease but ny is special with the laziness. But we do get a lot more stair chair jobs.
 
Worldwide

I can confirm it's worldwide. We have Ambo woman's *** and ambo guy overhang here in the uk
 
Laziness is a problem is every job, you need to create a culture that mitigates that.

Certainly I'm not excusing a crew waiting for an elevator for a VSA one floor up, but then again, I can't say I haven't done the same thing. (Honestly, I can't remember one way or the other) The reason is that I bring the stretcher and bags to all my VSA's so they're handy in the even of transport. As a result I may have added a delay into my care without realizing it. It's worth examining in decisions like this the circumstances that created it. Do you have a system where back-up (either FD or another unit) are coming to all arrests? In which case as a service start reinforcing the primacy of the first unit beginning Pt. care over logistics and that follow up units will take care of the stretcher, board, etc. But this is only one example, I won't get hung up.

Let's look at more common problems like not making up the cot, dirty trucks, not checking bags, IV's not primed, treatment forgone for transport only. These are issues that we can find parallels at any job and reflect a tendency of an individual to do what they think they can get away with. Fixing this can be done with supervision (extrinsic motivation) or by finding a way to make enough staff care (intrinsic motivation) that they step up AND create an expectation among their peers that they should do the same (extrinsic motivation, but via peers). Direct supervision may work well at a single work site where everyone can be watched and managed, but not in most EMS systems. A Sup may come by and everyone snaps to, but when they leave if the culture hasn't changed the behaviour wont either. You can add more supervisors, but then you dilute the quality and spread the responsibility around so much that you create another layer of worker, doing the minimum to not get heck from their boss.

We need to embrace a culture that includes safety, accountability, professionalism, pride and comraderie within our services. This is far harder to do but naturally has far better pay off than discipline and supervision. Establishing a positive culture shift will vary with the system and it's individual issues, but as my service is currently going through a culture shift I'll comment on some things I have seen that may help.


1) Vision. Know what you want your service to look like and lay it out. Share this vision. In fact build it with the input of the staff. The problem children may not be interested but you'll start identifying the existing staff that can form the nucleus.

2) Recruitment and orientation. Orientation needs to be about more than payroll and policy. This is your chance to choose the right candidates that fit the model you want to create and to get them to buy into it right away. Don't just talk at them though, make sure the staff running orientation are modeling this vision too.

3) Management. If the people at the top are not leading by example it all falls apart. This doesn't mean powerpoint. You want clean vehicles, than the Sup's better have a spotless truck too. You want crews to be proactive and help each other out, the Sup had better be jumping hot calls to lend a hand.

4) Appreciation. When crews start to shift and buy in, don't act like it was something they were supposed to do anyways. It is, but they may not see it that way. Recognize improvement and reinforce it.

5) Identify resistance. Why are some staff members not buying in? Don't keep addressing the whole staff with memo's and meetings and powerpoint. The crews that have got on board will feel unnoticed or ignored and the ones that haven't will keep tuning them out. Start sitting down with them informally and chat. Explain the plan, explain the motivation and give them a chance to vent constructively. You may not get them all on board, but you've tried and they should at least respect that they were considered. This will also ID the clear problems that will never get on board.

6) Accept input and consider adjustments. If it's to be a true shift in culture than it can't be top down. Let crews own the ideas and make them their own.

I realize this is a management approach, which is funny since I'm no where near a white shirt, but I think for the most success, as with anything the ball has to get rolling from on high.

As an individual medic you can try to shift things yourself but the reach will be limited by your exposure and your influence. As a newer medic I might be able to motivate the shift at my station to clean and respect the base but I'm not going to reach much beyond that and if there's a senior more respected guy or gal against that, I won't reach beyond my partner, if that.
 
I'm not a paid EMT (volley, myself), but I will say this: I've noticed that many of the paid staff in the hybrid system where I volunteer tend to be less willing to physically exert themselves for the benefit of the patient. Along with that, they tend to be less physically fit, take worse care of their health, and be grumpier than volunteers. However, and I'd stress this, they are better trained than most of us volleys. If I were a patient (or a member of my family was a patient) for anything short of being near death, I'd rather have a couple nice, motivated volunteer BLS folks than jaded, mean professional medics.
 
I think SSM is just institutionalizing laziness for many. If you sit around in the truck all day, you can get in that zone of doing literally nothing. I have partners that can't snap themselves out of this zone at a call and it angers me to no end. Like seriously, we are bringing the first in bag and AED into the house, that is not a question.
 
Woe betide the lazy EMS worker. I can't count the number I've times i've been told by Preceptors to "leave" most of the gear in the vehicle only to have to run back out when the :censored::censored::censored::censored: hits the fan. Many of these have been lazy "oldies" that have been in the job for 20-30 years.

My rule is going long or tall take everything. I.e up to the 20th floor or deep inside a nursing home
 
Always take everything, always park for rapid egress, especially consider vehicles pulling in after. It is always preferable to "walk up" than get stuck.

Lessons I learned in the fire service.

Never have to back a truck up.

Reduces the need for spotters and reduces collisions and the risk there of.
 
I think SSM is just institutionalizing laziness for many. If you sit around in the truck all day, you can get in that zone of doing literally nothing. I have partners that can't snap themselves out of this zone at a call and it angers me to no end. Like seriously, we are bringing the first in bag and AED into the house, that is not a question.

I think this applies very well to the people I work with. If they had their way, we would be sitting in the truck in 8-13 hours doing NOTHING. During a call, they would drag it out an extra 30-60 minutes so they can avoid getting patient that requires a more hands-on treatment.

I want to break my back as much the next guy, but sitting for ten hours goes by INCREDIBLY slow (to me). Much slower than if you actually want to work and you don't notice time flying by.
 
Has anyone considered there is a difference between laziness and low morale?

One of the major problems in EMS is that it is educated and portrayed as a constant battle of life and death.

In reality, it is not. Many people become considerably disillusioned by this.

A vast majority of fire and EMS professionals I know around the world are people who are highly motivated and want to make a difference.

EMS grinds people down in a number of ways.

Low moral is a failure of effective leadership. The solution is not to get rid of the employee, it is to get ridof the manager/officer.

Otherwise, another employee will eventually take the place of the former.
 
In my old fire station from 0800-1700 it was training. Could be medical training, fire operations, rescue operations, and/or physical training. After 1700 was when you could kick back, relax, sleep, watch TV, etc.

My EMS system from 0800-2000 you sit in an ambulance sometimes for 12 hours straight. You are not required to do anything. You are not rewarded if you do anything special while posting.

The only thing keeping people motivated to work out in my system are the EMT/Medics that are planning to go into the fire department. Most of the employees who want to go fire are physically fit. Most of our employees who want to just say EMTs/Medics are overweight (most not all).
 
EMS is definitely not the land of fit people. This has been consistent in the three states I've worked in. You would think that we would take better care of ourselves since we see the end result of years of abuse on one's body - the sedentary lifestyle, insulin resistance leading to NIDDM from a high carb diet, smoking, etc. But no, I see many in EMS that are both overweight and sedentary, and also quite a few that smoke.

It's just bizarre to me. We see the elderly in nursing homes, sentenced to a slow death because they abused their bodies (knowingly or unknowingly). I'm trying with all my might to not end up like the elderly in NH's or living in small decrepit apartments, slowly decaying from CHF, COPD, diabetes and such. We've all seen the banged up 45 y/o going on 90 the way they choose not to take care of themselves.

Really, if you do not become insulin resistant by eating a high carb diet, you will ot be afflicted with many of these diseases. Take fish oil to thin your blood/reduce inflammation, and do some intense exercise, and you're set.
 
We pretty much do strictly IFT/Hospital Discharges... I finally got it through my partner's head that the monitor needed to come in on all of our ALS runs, but in the end of was his laziness that motivated him. I pointed out to him that it was infinitely less work to stick it on the cot while we were getting out of the truck than it was to run back and get it. That got the message across.....

When I make my cot up, I use cavi-wipes on the cot after every pt, clean the handles and everything every time.... Partner rolls his eyes. Hospitals breed bacteria. We touch things in hospitals, the patients touch things in hospitals. The patient may be clean but if they came out of a hospital they probably brought something with them, and after touching the door handles, elevator buttons, automatic door buttons etc etc etc, and then handling the cot, I'm cleaning the damn thing. When I put the fresh sheet on it, I do it neatly. I like it to be tucked where it is supposed to be tucked. I buckle all the straps.. then they can't fall off and get caught in the wheels. Admittedly, the nice pretty way I fold the straps is just for looks but hey, people see that and it can't possibly leave anything but a good impression to see a cot made up neatly.

I don't "red-line" trucks. That is to say, when I wash it (and no, I do not wash it every day.. I wash it when it is dirty, dammit. Sometimes it is not) I wash the whole thing.

Oh, and for the love of god, people, wipe down your steering wheels. Yuck!

Yes, laziness runs rampant, and I do think that the primary areas you see it in are in cleanliness of trucks, equipment, and our stations.

I also think paperwork is another area that many people are lazy, but that is another story....
 
Has anyone considered there is a difference between laziness and low morale?

One of the major problems in EMS is that it is educated and portrayed as a constant battle of life and death.

In reality, it is not. Many people become considerably disillusioned by this.

A vast majority of fire and EMS professionals I know around the world are people who are highly motivated and want to make a difference.

EMS grinds people down in a number of ways.

Low moral is a failure of effective leadership. The solution is not to get rid of the employee, it is to get ridof the manager/officer.

Otherwise, another employee will eventually take the place of the former.

Yep, low morale.

When you come in everyday knowing you'll be driving a :censored::censored::censored::censored:ty rig with 200,000+ miles and poor A/C it really sets the tone for a :censored::censored::censored::censored:ty day.

Oh and let's not forget days at a time without lunch breaks.
 
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