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@Remi for a run of the mill common AR-10 you can get for 700-1200$. (DPMS Oracle **i think??**, ruger makes a 762 i think as well)
However, in my experience the best cheap rifles (if that makes any sense) belong to windham weaponry. they have a SEC or SRC 308, it alternates every year it seems, and that is a fantastic entry AR-10 IMO, was my first large caliber gun back a while. Get it on the right sale and it's 1000 dollars, retail is usually 1100-1200. Daniel defense(dd5 that is*) will run you more then LWRC(about 2k), FN(FN-10/15 in 300 blk is 1600, SCAR will run you about 3 grand for a 7.62 i got mine for 2200), or HK(between 2-4k, although you'd be the coolest dude ever if you had a G36.......).
 
A couple things of note

AR10 is really a proprietary name to Armalite. Anything else is just a 308 AR. Not really relevant but a fun fact.

308 ARs are not milspec, they are easier to buy than build. Parts from manufacturer A will likely not fit with manufacturer B etc etc.

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GMCmedic said:
A couple things of note...

308 ARs are not milspec, they are easier to buy than build. Parts from manufacturer A will likely not fit with manufacturer B etc etc.

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YUP. I still have a 80% 308 lower sitting in my garage because of that fact.

The parts incompatibility is worse than building a 1911 (which I've done)



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Or be a non conformist and get a TAR21. I shot one a few months back and it was love from first round, incredibly easy to manage.


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My list would be 1) HK417 2) SCAR 17 3) SR25

But it also depends on what you want, Battle Rifle vs SPR. I never shoot past 400 yrds so I have my SCAR set up as a battle rifle with an ACOG. Works great for what I use it for. I also have a Nightforce scope I can throw on for long range but the SCAR just feels better as a battle rifle to me.

I have friends that have bought and built AR10s and they always seem to have issues. I rather spend the extra money and get a battle proven platform that I know will perform.

 
Chase said:
My list would be 1) HK417 2) SCAR 17 3) SR25
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edit chase ;). 1. hk417 2. ACR 3. Scar 17 :D.
That was my collection for a while, but has recently changed due to an impending move.
 
CLCustom1911 said:
Yeah.... About that.... My agency is being stupid right now and not doing the letter thing because a cop from a neighboring agency is being investigated by the ATF for doing FFL things without being a FFL.... Like something along the lines of purchasing and transferring over a hundred guns in a year.... What an idiot.

So, obviously since that has NOTHING to do with my agency, they got the knee-jerk reaction of "nobody getting any letters for now".

Stupid. I have a CZ Scorpion Evo 3 that got delivered a month ago that had been on order since February and I can't take possession.


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I know that a cop from my local area that did the same thing, he's got a bit of a problem (convicted) and the FFL he was using to do those transactions also was convicted, of what exact crimes, I do not recall, but given what was doing at the time, I've probably met both.
 
Akulahawk said:
I know that a cop from my local area that did the same thing, he's got a bit of a problem (convicted) and the FFL he was using to do those transactions also was convicted, of what exact crimes, I do not recall, but given what was doing at the time, I've probably met both.
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Yeah it never ceases to amaze me how dumb people are, or completely ignorant to the fact that every transaction is tracked, traced, etc. Even though I don't agree with strick gun laws, I don't dare break them. My career, future, etc aren't worth going through all that.

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@Remi

I used to be all about the 308 until I really reallyyy researched the 6.5 Creedmoor. That round (.264 caliber) is phenomenal as far as exterior ballistics and terminal ballistics as well.

Below is a link to an article comparing the 175gr 308 to a 260 Remington. A 260 Remington is the name bullet at 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5x47 Lapua.

http://demigodllc.com/articles/the-case-for-260-remington/

This was an article that was pretty objective in my opinion and gave pros/cons for both cartridges.

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CLCustom1911 said:
I used to be all about the 308 until I really reallyyy researched the 6.5 Creedmoor. That round (.264 caliber) is phenomenal as far as exterior ballistics and terminal ballistics as well.
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I was seriously considering building a 6.8 SPC pistol due to the superior ballistics when compared to the 5.56/.223. How would you say 6.8 SPC stacks agains 6.5 Creedmoor or 308?
 
CALEMT said:
I was seriously considering building a 6.8 SPC pistol due to the superior ballistics when compared to the 5.56/.223. How would you say 6.8 SPC stacks agains 6.5 Creedmoor or 308?
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The 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.8 SPC are two very different rounds. I honestly believe the 6.8 would be awesome at typical battle distances of 0-500 yards. A better comparison would be 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel.

Admittedly, I havent researched much on 6.8 since it first came out back in like 2007 when only Silver State Armory was making the ammo.

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@CALEMT, 6.5 Grendel is the same lower as a standard AR. Just switch upper, bolt carrier group, and mag. You're in business.

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CLCustom1911 said:
The 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.8 SPC are two very different rounds. I honestly believe the 6.8 would be awesome at typical battle distances of 0-500 yards. A better comparison would be 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel.

Admittedly, I havent researched much on 6.8 since it first came out back in like 2007 when only Silver State Armory was making the ammo.

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From my understanding, the 6.8 SPC is a very good performer at those distances.
 
the way i describe 6.8 to people, is it acts as a 7.62, but about 1/4 of the BS side effects(jams, recoil, and all that jazz)... If i remember properly... its based off of a .30 Remington.
For the first 300 yards or so you can compare a 6.8 to a 300 blk, but after that, that is where the difference is made.
300-500 for the 6.8 is below the 6.5 Grendel.
500 yards is where the 6.8 really falls off, but tbh if your shooting outside of 500 yards you shouldn't be using a 6.8 probably more in the ballpark of a 300 win mag or 338 lapua.

*I have never shot a 6.5 grendel so idk how it stacks up to a 6.8 which i have shot and personally like.*
 
NysEms2117 said:
the way i describe 6.8 to people, is it acts as a 7.62, but about 1/4 of the BS side effects(jams, recoil, and all that jazz)... If i remember properly... its based off of a .30 Remington.
For the first 300 yards or so you can compare a 6.8 to a 300 blk, but after that, that is where the difference is made.
300-500 for the 6.8 is below the 6.5 Grendel.
500 yards is where the 6.8 really falls off, but tbh if your shooting outside of 500 yards you shouldn't be using a 6.8 probably more in the ballpark of a 300 win mag or 338 lapua.

*I have never shot a 6.5 grendel so idk how it stacks up to a 6.8 which i have shot and personally like.*
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That's essentially what I knew about 6.8. I don't know much about Grendel, but I know a lot about the larger 6.5 rounds (Creedmoor, 260 Rem, etc). The 6.5 bullet is wonderful out of longer barrels. The main advantage of the 6.8 is it is superior out of shorter barrels.

I would love a 6.8 but even plinking ammo is 80 cents each.

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I like my 22LR lever gun. Pew pew pew pew pew.
 
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