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I don't CC much due to the fact i'm usually working, or inside my house which i either "badge carry"(working), or don't need proof to carry(in my house). I love the Serpa 3 retention, smoothest release and re-entry i've experienced :).

Any recommendations for either Serpa 2 or 3 retention in terms of holster manufactures?


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I don't CC much due to the fact i'm usually working, or inside my house which i either "badge carry"(working), or don't need proof to carry(in my house). I love the Serpa 3 retention, smoothest release and re-entry i've experienced :).
If it's the kind that I'm thinking of, just be VERY careful about drawing your firearm while under stress. Sure the index finger does hit a release and should remain indexed along the frame but discharges have occurred right out of the holster due to the finger finding its way into the trigger guard with the finger still contracting sympathetically with the other 3 fingers.
 

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If it's the kind that I'm thinking of, just be VERY careful about drawing your firearm while under stress. Sure the index finger does hit a release and should remain indexed along the frame but discharges have occurred right out of the holster due to the finger finding its way into the trigger guard with the finger still contracting sympathetically with the other 3 fingers.
I have never heard of that, is that on the serpa 3 leg holsters? or duty holsters? I can see it more on the leg because its a more distinct movement. However, my index finger at the very best, ever so lightly touches the trigger guard, i am also very meticulous and have spent countless hours, drawing, re-holstering, drawing, re-holstering.
 

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I have never heard of that, is that on the serpa 3 leg holsters? or duty holsters? I can see it more on the leg because its a more distinct movement. However, my index finger at the very best, ever so lightly touches the trigger guard, i am also very meticulous and have spent countless hours, drawing, re-holstering, drawing, re-holstering.
It does happen. The folks that avoid the discharge do exactly what you have done: practice countless hours and thousands of repetitions because that trains the index finger to NOT go into the trigger guard during the draw stroke EVER. One of my good friends is a CCW and LE instructor in So Cal and he does instruct many agencies in their use of force/firearms around California. He will NOT allow any of those holsters on any of his ranges. It's the design, not the specific position that contributes to the problem. Your index finger depresses the lever and if you're trying draw as fast as possible, you can try to rip the gun from the holster. When that happens, all the fingers will flex in an attempt to maintain a grip on the gun as you draw and that includes your index finger. It's this reflex that must be inhibited and if it's not, the index finger can find its way into the trigger guard and onto the trigger in less time than you can believe. This leads to a very quick BANG during the draw and often the muzzle is pointed at the ground/floor still so usually no injuries or not very serious injuries occur. Officers have shot themselves in the foot and leg using these holsters though during the draw, just not all that well publicized.
 

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It does happen. The folks that avoid the discharge do exactly what you have done: practice countless hours and thousands of repetitions because that trains the index finger to NOT go into the trigger guard during the draw stroke EVER. One of my good friends is a CCW and LE instructor in So Cal and he does instruct many agencies in their use of force/firearms around California. He will NOT allow any of those holsters on any of his ranges. It's the design, not the specific position that contributes to the problem. Your index finger depresses the lever and if you're trying draw as fast as possible, you can try to rip the gun from the holster. When that happens, all the fingers will flex in an attempt to maintain a grip on the gun as you draw and that includes your index finger. It's this reflex that must be inhibited and if it's not, the index finger can find its way into the trigger guard and onto the trigger in less time than you can believe. This leads to a very quick BANG during the draw and often the muzzle is pointed at the ground/floor still so usually no injuries or not very serious injuries occur. Officers have shot themselves in the foot and leg using these holsters though during the draw, just not all that well publicized.
news to me, i still think they're fantastic, i can personally vouch for their retention qualities, my pants would rip before that holster gives way. I've drawn under "extreme pressure" 2 times, both have been "flawless" draws. I will definitely look into it though! To my knowledge its actually kind of difficult to get into the trigger guard. maybe if i show this to my boss he'll get us Sig's :D! lol had to throw in some humor.
 

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news to me, i still think they're fantastic, i can personally vouch for their retention qualities, my pants would rip before that holster gives way. I've drawn under "extreme pressure" 2 times, both have been "flawless" draws. I will definitely look into it though! To my knowledge its actually kind of difficult to get into the trigger guard. maybe if i show this to my boss he'll get us Sig's :D! lol had to throw in some humor.
one of the more famous incidents
 

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one of the more famous incidents
seen this video all to often, i find it hard to believe he has any formal law enforcement background. Or knows how to draw a firearm properly. As if you couldn't tell that already by his approach to his assailant.. Didn't look like he even had his ear protection in/on before he started drawing if i'm honest. I don't think that this gentleman is a proper representation of a retention holster at all.
His "defensive retention" is rather Horse **** if i'm honest
Made me laugh though :p
 

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seen this video all to often, i find it hard to believe he has any formal law enforcement background. Or knows how to draw a firearm properly. As if you couldn't tell that already by his approach to his assailant.. Didn't look like he even had his ear protection in/on before he started drawing if i'm honest. I don't think that this gentleman is a proper representation of a retention holster at all.
Made me laugh though :p
Yeah I had a similar opinion on him, he looks like a joke with what he does.
 

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Yeah I had a similar opinion on him, he looks like a joke with what he does.
The ONLY gun related material i watch on the internet is from "hickok45". He is a very safe gun owner, cares about gun safety and all that jazz i wont lecture on. This person says in a what seemed to be very serious video "my training took over and i called my mom". I think folks like him are why gun owners get a bad rep in my honest opinion.
**the material stated in this post are my opinion and do not reflect my employer(NYSDOCCS/ NYSP) in any way**
 
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I shouldn't be laughing at that guy's misfortune, but [emoji23]


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I shouldn't be laughing at that guy's misfortune, but [emoji23]
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I laugh at people's misfortune all the time, it gives me my certain "your an ***" personality.. My girlfriend tells me a lot ;)
 
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So since this is primarily the "Gun Porn" thread, can anyone recommend any good IWB holsters? I'll eventually be needing one for my 40cal XD.


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So since this is primarily the "Gun Porn" thread, can anyone recommend any good IWB holsters? I'll eventually be needing one for my 40cal XD.


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I have heard some very good things about the Alien Gear holsters. I'm quite partial to comp-TAC's line of products, particularly the MTAC. I have the "base" holster plus 2 "bodies" for it that allow me to use the same backing for two types of guns. I currently have my G27 in it, but I can also put my G23 in the same holster. I can switch out the kydex part and the 1911 can then it gets to ride in my MTAC. My CTAC is glock-only and it's made for a G23 but a G27 will do just fine in it.
 

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So since this is primarily the "Gun Porn" thread, can anyone recommend any good IWB holsters? I'll eventually be needing one for my 40cal XD.


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I use Alienware for my IWB with a S&W MP Shield. It fits great and is very comfortable and easily concealed.
 

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My carry G19
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Scar 17 and one of my HKs
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I use Alienware for my IWB with a S&W MP Shield. It fits great and is very comfortable and easily concealed.

Pictures of what the holster looks like with the gun inserted?


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I knew Chase was well armed, but damn dude.
 
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