Erectile Drug Led to Teen's Death

usafmedic45 said:
The pronoun you're looking for there is "we". You know, as in the cumulative of "you and I"? Like I said, we do the same job so no need to speak as though you're the only one on here who sees patients who are not "obvious saves" when they wind up on vents in the hospital.
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Just because a patient ends up on a ventilator does not mean they are "dead" or near dead. There are many reasons to put a patient on a ventilator. However, even if a patient does not necessarily "code", they may have enough toxic effect from decrease BP or whatever cause that their neurological function may not return. Thus they may end up in a vegetative state. There has been much effort put into research such as hypothermia because a heart beat does not always constitute a "save" in the pure sense of the term. We prefer patients to leave the hospital without any neurological defects. That is a "save".

Never said that....I just never been a fan of public health education en masse and leave it to those who have a passion for it such as yourself.
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Then what is your argument here? Do you have ANYTHING to add?


usafmedic45 said:
Did I say I had anywhere near the experience level in years that you do? The point was you don't ever see the ones who are so obviously dead that the only people who seem them in our spectrum are the LEOs and coroners. That is what I was getting at. Nothing more, nothing less.
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30 years ago the ambulances still did body runs unfortunately. So yes I have also did my share of coroner's calls. As well, the FD was called for recovery in some cases.
 
VentMedic said:
Just because a patient ends up on a ventilator does not mean they are "dead" or near dead. There are many reasons to put a patient on a ventilator. However, even if a patient does not necessarily "code", they may have enough toxic effect from decrease BP or whatever cause that their neurological function may not return. Thus they may end up in a vegetative state. There has been much effort put into research such as hypothermia because a heart beat does not always constitute a "save" in the pure sense of the term. We prefer patients to leave the hospital without any neurological defects. That is a "save".



Then what is your argument here? Do you have ANYTHING to add?




30 years ago the ambulances still did body runs unfortunately. So yes I have also did my share of coroner's calls. As well, the FD was called for recovery in some cases.
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I will PM you my responses to avoid further derailing of this thread.
 
Well, I remember a senior prank in high school once was to put Viagra in the puch bowl at the graduation ceremony (they didn't though, we were good kids)

The kid was simply not using his mind. It is always sad to see how someone sensible totaly loose their minds over drugs, alchohol, etc. But that is one of the many reasons I'm interested in EMS. I want to help those people. Not that it will change them or anything, just I want to help them. I hate to hear about teens dying.
 
minneola24 said:
Nah I wouldn't say he deserved what he got, no one does. What I am saying is why is he going to party where alcohol is being served?
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Because he likes alcohol? Not every child is a picture of perfection. Some use alcohol and drugs as a way to act out or escape their frustrations.
 
Sasha said:
Because he likes alcohol? Not every child is a picture of perfection. Some use alcohol and drugs as a way to act out or escape their frustrations.
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So in that sense, what is wrong with drug attics? They like drugs? Makes em feel better...
 
Cory said:
Well, I remember a senior prank in high school once was to put Viagra in the puch bowl at the graduation ceremony (they didn't though, we were good kids)
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Glad you didn't. There are people that have serious allergic reactions to small amounts of some of the ingredients in those drugs. Would be sad to see someone die just because they thought it would be funny to see all the guys walking around with tents at the crotch level.
 
Sasha said:
Because he likes alcohol? Not every child is a picture of perfection. Some use alcohol and drugs as a way to act out or escape their frustrations.
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Some serial killers LIKE killing, but it is still illegal. Some 16 year olds LIKE alcohol, but they aren't 21, therefore it is also illegal.

There are drinking age laws for a reason. 16 year olds aren't reponsible enough to drink a lot of alcohol. Minneola is right, he shouldn't have been at tht party drinking. Regardless if it happens every day in just about every city on Earth, it is still illegal, it is a problem, and it does not need to be exscused.

Teens who do drugs to act out or escape are usually the ones that end up going to far and OD'ing. And then YOU'RE the one who has to come and scoop them up off some dirty street corner. If they have problems, they need to find another way of feeling better.

Drugs may ke you feel good when you're high, but you feel a thousand times worse afterwards.
 
minneola24 said:
So in that sense, what is wrong with drug attics? They like drugs? Makes em feel better...
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I have never had an attic that liked anything.
 
Sasha said:
I have never had an attic that liked anything.
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My point is, if the kid thinks alcohol is a way to "escape frustrations" as you put it then he obviously should find something else, you don't seem to have a problem with that which is why I related a kid with alcohol to a drug attic with drugs.

edit: sorry i don't know what attics like and don't like, i don't talk to them.
 
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Sasha said:
I have never had an attic that liked anything.
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My attic is addicted to heat and because of it my electric bill is high.
 
minneola24 said:
My point is, if the kid thinks alcohol is a way to "escape frustrations" as you put it then he obviously should find something else, you don't seem to have a problem with that which is why I related a kid with alcohol to a drug attic with drugs.
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Did that one go over your head?:P:P:P Check the meaning of the bold word above.;)
 
sorry i don't know what attics like and don't like, i don't talk to them.
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I don't talk to attics either!
 
Sasha said:
I don't talk to attics either!
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I do... sometimes I like to haul my rear upstairs and have a good heart to heart with the attic. I also talk to the addicts when they are broke and show up to the hospital with exacerbation of fibromyalgia.
 
timmy84 said:
I do... sometimes I like to haul my rear upstairs and have a good heart to heart with the attic. I also talk to the addicts when they are broke and show up to the hospital with exacerbation of fibromyalgia.
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I made my attic a room for a couple of years, thought I was really hip and nifty :P

I talk to addicts as well, I don't judge them for poor choices. Perhaps some don't really understand addiction and what it does to someone and the mental toll it takes. I consider alcoholism and drug addiction to be mental illness.

The poor kid is dead, let's let the judgement go. Heaven forbid a family member came across this to see "Well he shouldn't have been drinking anyway".
 
Sasha said:
I made my attic a room for a couple of years, thought I was really hip and nifty :P

I talk to addicts as well, I don't judge them for poor choices. Perhaps some don't really understand addiction and what it does to someone and the mental toll it takes. I consider alcoholism and drug addiction to be mental illness.

The poor kid is dead, let's let the judgement go. Heaven forbid a family member came across this to see "Well he shouldn't have been drinking anyway".
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Yeah, the kid is dead, I feel bad for him and his family.

However, in school we were taught about dangers of that stuff where people slip things in your drinks, so I don't go to party's where alcohol is served, because you can get killed from that AND you have a risk of someone slipping something in your drink as well.
 
minneola24 said:
Yeah, the kid is dead, I feel bad for him and his family.

However, in school we were taught about dangers of that stuff where people slip things in your drinks, so I don't go to party's where alcohol is served, because you can get killed from that AND you have a risk of someone slipping something in your drink as well.
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You can slip things into koolaid and cokes too. And you can get killed at non-alcohol parties too.
 
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