EMT Boot Camp Starts Monday

VentMedic said:
But, for many places, this has been a "standard" with the option to continue to the 3 month Paramedic class.
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A 3 month medic class. Wow. We wonder why many within health care don't respect us? It's because of places like this.
 
There is nothing wrong with your class.
The problem is that state's minimum training requirement is inadequate.

This topic has been discussed over and over again.
120+ hours is only enough to pass the state/national test.

I agree that a certain policy that my Volunteer Corps enforces.
We have two levels of EMTs:
Crew Chiefs and Attendants

An Attendant is not allowed to go on a call without a Crew Chief.
Promotion to Crew Chief is difficult as you need to prove your skills to a Crew Chief designated as a Preceptor.

Essentially, all new EMT have to prove themselves for almost a year before "promotion."
An experienced (911 Responder) EMT can typically do it faster.

Just my 2 cents
 
Rob123 said:
There is nothing wrong with your class.
The problem is that state's minimum training requirement is inadequate.

This topic has been discussed over and over again.
120+ hours is only enough to pass the state/national test.

I agree that a certain policy that my Volunteer Corps enforces.
We have two levels of EMTs:
Crew Chiefs and Attendants

An Attendant is not allowed to go on a call without a Crew Chief.
Promotion to Crew Chief is difficult as you need to prove your skills to a Crew Chief designated as a Preceptor.

Essentially, all new EMT have to prove themselves for almost a year before "promotion."
An experienced (911 Responder) EMT can typically do it faster.

Just my 2 cents
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How do you know there is nothing wrong with his/her class? Most education areas are not taught based upon clock hours. It is not the number of hours I am concerned about it; it is the methodology it is delivered.

Why would anyone assume and even want to take the "easy road" cracker jack type of course? Seriously, if one does not have any more concern about their profession or even better the patients best behalf than this?

Fortunately, the EMT does not have much medical responsibility or authority more than a first aider.... and this is the exact reason why!
How much credibility, can one actually place in a two week course? This is not an intense course where the students has previous medical license, degrees or experience to build upon. Rather this is the foundation. Again, if you did not have practice labs with repetitious training and evaluations, along with didactic review and appropriate required clinical training, your program was bad. Period.

I am amazed at the attitude and ignorance of most of those that want to be EMT's. I would think that one would have the fortitude to be the best provider and gain the most education and knowledge before entering the workforce. In other words taking their profession seriously.

Don't blame it on the curriculum, but do blame it on the states that does allow shake & bake programs and those that attend them.

R/r 911
 
Ridryder911 said:
Don't blame it on the curriculum, but do blame it on the states that does allow shake & bake programs and those that attend them.
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Ridryder911,
I agree with you 100% but I did not express myself correctly.
 
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Ridryder911 said:
Don't blame it on the curriculum, but do blame it on the states that does allow shake & bake programs and those that attend them.

R/r 911
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agreed. both medic and EMT courses need to re-developed, no crash courses accepted.
 
I don't always blame the individual. Alike consumers, they really don't know what is good and what is a scam, unless they study and investigate the programs thoroughly. I do hope someone that is attempting to make a career change or enter a profession would do so though.

I do blame us though. I am going to attempt to see the sub-committee of the National Association of EMS Educators (NAEMSE) can make a formal recommendation of focusing upon states that allows shake & bake programs to cease. Maybe enough pressure can be produced that NREMT will not allow those to sit in for their test as well. Yes, that would only focus on those states that require such, but to have to say that your course will only be limited to this state is many times a deal breaker.

Many read these forums that are considering entering the profession. We need to emphasize the scam of those institutions that continue to perform these type of courses. Comprehension of all the material (what little there is) is essential. There is not one piece of information contained within it, that is not of use for the EMT. Hence, the reason so many feel that their course was too short...

R/r 911
 
rmellish said:
It's possible in Indiana. http://www.emtinc.net/emsclasses.htm#Paramedic_EMS
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OMG....this is insane...I thought my course was intense...mine lasted a lot longer than 3 months...what about clinicals with accelerated program.

When my medic class finished we all felt burnt out...After this 3 month thing their brains should be goo with almost no retention..

my brain hurts just thinking about this class. this class will never produce a good medic. I think it will produce a cook book medic and they will follow their protocols to the letter coz they can't think outside the box because they don't anything outside the box.
 
Apparently your medic class didn't require an English prerequisite. :P
 
Ridryder911 said:
I don't always blame the individual. Alike consumers, they really don't know what is good and what is a scam, unless they study and investigate the programs thoroughly. I do hope someone that is attempting to make a career change or enter a profession would do so though.

I do blame us though. I am going to attempt to see the sub-committee of the National Association of EMS Educators (NAEMSE) can make a formal recommendation of focusing upon states that allows shake & bake programs to cease. Maybe enough pressure can be produced that NREMT will not allow those to sit in for their test as well. Yes, that would only focus on those states that require such, but to have to say that your course will only be limited to this state is many times a deal breaker.

Many read these forums that are considering entering the profession. We need to emphasize the scam of those institutions that continue to perform these type of courses. Comprehension of all the material (what little there is) is essential. There is not one piece of information contained within it, that is not of use for the EMT. Hence, the reason so many feel that their course was too short...

R/r 911
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I am all for NR not accepting them to sit for testing. What all states accept those kind of programs though? And how would we find out? I really want to get involved in legislative efforts in EMS once I'm out of medic school and on the street... but still have no idea how to do that
 
i went to EMT inc in Indiana for my basic class Most of the 34 people where either pr PA students or Pre Med students. A few where for those contract companies that do work overseas and military personal. I was a good program since everyone had already taken A&P 1 and 2, college math and Microbiology. It was fun but long, class from 7a-7p and clinicals at night. The 4 month paramedic program they have is so unreal. No time for sleep. Class during daylight and clinicals at night. Good overall though they make sure you understand the book material as well as the skills. They will take the extra time to do a lot of one on one.
 
whatw14578 said:
i went to EMT inc in Indiana for my basic class Most of the 34 people where either pr PA students or Pre Med students. A few where for those contract companies that do work overseas and military personal. I was a good program since everyone had already taken A&P 1 and 2, college math and Microbiology. It was fun but long, class from 7a-7p and clinicals at night. The 4 month paramedic program they have is so unreal. No time for sleep. Class during daylight and clinicals at night. Good overall though they make sure you understand the book material as well as the skills. They will take the extra time to do a lot of one on one.
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And now you're working somewhere with your cert? How well were you prepared?
 
whatw14578 said:
i went to EMT inc in Indiana for my basic class Most of the 34 people where either pr PA students or Pre Med students. A few where for those contract companies that do work overseas and military personal. I was a good program since everyone had already taken A&P 1 and 2, college math and Microbiology. It was fun but long, class from 7a-7p and clinicals at night. The 4 month paramedic program they have is so unreal. No time for sleep. Class during daylight and clinicals at night. Good overall though they make sure you understand the book material as well as the skills. They will take the extra time to do a lot of one on one.
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Good in comparison to what? Really, I don't care if they were all PhD.'s retention and practice is essential. Cramming is only memorizing enough to get by and we know what that leads to. Would these same individuals endorse an abbreviated PA or med school? Yeah, probably not.

Many of the reasons many take cook book classes is to be able to get a fast buck. I wonder how many ECG's were practiced and orchestrating a call, leadership, and just good lab time to evaluate the skills?
 
Good compared to some of the 2 month programs in Florida one 8 hour class a week where the training I herd was so so. Not I did not get paid for that first year of EMS service, I did volunteer shifts when the paid emts needed time off. And most of the medics from that 4 month program that I saw are now overseas on their tour of duty still. I thought I was prepared well for my job. The paramedic did all the ALS stuff and let me do most the BLS after the 4 weeks of OJT and skills assessment. It really helped prepare me for medic school and gave me great resources for the Medic class, no regrets on my end for the choice of EMT basic in Indiana.
 
Haha. This is getting interesting. Let me clarify my earlier comments.

I did NOT say that I wanted my 4 month Basic course condensed to two weeks. I did say that I want it condensed from the 4 months.

In my 4 month Basic class, we met ONCE A WEEK. For 3 freakin' hours.

Need to learn everything to do with trauma and bandaging? 3 hours of lecture on it, come back saturday and play with the 02 and bandages for a couple of hours.

I would want more than 3 hours devoted to trauma. I personally would rather have a month of 6-8 hour days with the first half being lecture and the second half actually applying those skills in mock scenarios and such. Then, go use it in real life in ambulance ride alongs (which I used the hell out of since I didn't feel confident after our little 3 hour lecture sessions)

As for my CNA class, yeah, I love how it's 3 weeks. Taking a certified EMT and teaching him to roll a patient onto a bedpan or put them in their wheelchair should not take longer than this.
 
MGary said:
Haha. This is getting interesting. Let me clarify my earlier comments.

I did NOT say that I wanted my 4 month Basic course condensed to two weeks. I did say that I want it condensed from the 4 months.

In my 4 month Basic class, we met ONCE A WEEK. For 3 freakin' hours.

Need to learn everything to do with trauma and bandaging? 3 hours of lecture on it, come back saturday and play with the 02 and bandages for a couple of hours.

I would want more than 3 hours devoted to trauma. I personally would rather have a month of 6-8 hour days with the first half being lecture and the second half actually applying those skills in mock scenarios and such. Then, go use it in real life in ambulance ride alongs (which I used the hell out of since I didn't feel confident after our little 3 hour lecture sessions)

As for my CNA class, yeah, I love how it's 3 weeks. Taking a certified EMT and teaching him to roll a patient onto a bedpan or put them in their wheelchair should not take longer than this.
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I so agree with this. i also took CNA in high school and did it for two years. not much is needed to do that job. and yet some schools it out to 6 months monday -friday?
 
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