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Sasha

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Hope you are not a practicing EMT near Massachusetts! Maybe you should look for another line of work besides patient care?

So you have a provider/patient relationship with everyone you meet?

I am awesome at patient care and wont consider somewhere else, thanks.

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JPINFV

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Hope you are not a practicing EMT near Massachusetts! Maybe you should look for another line of work besides patient care?

Has MA OEMS come out with an official position statement requiring off duty EMS providers to stop and render aid since I left MA?
 

Tigger

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Ah, so the Oath and Code only apply when on duty?

No, it never applies. It does not apply, because I never read the damn book that keep you holding higher than the bible. There are other textbooks out there that cover the same material, as you are no doubt aware. On duty, I am bound by the policies of my agency, which are similar to the code you have listed below. Since it is a contingency of my employment, I follow the list.

Off-duty, why should the same code apply?

I still cannot believe that the crux of your argument is based off a code that was at best pulled out of the air by a group of surgeons and then placed in a book that not everyone in this field has read. Surely you are not serious.
 

bstone

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Has MA OEMS come out with an official position statement requiring off duty EMS providers to stop and render aid since I left MA?

No, they are too busy collecting fees and trying to figure out how to ruin EMS in MA.
 

JPINFV

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Let's be 100% honest. Most of us aren't going to pass by an obvious life threat. The question is should we have to go looking for them. I personally am not going to.
Furthermore, assuming I stop, it doesn't mean I'm going to identify myself as anyone having any extra training.
 

Sasha

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Ps i feel like i have a good reason for an opinion on this. My aunt was killed administering first aid on a seldom traveled county road. Ill provide links for those interested.

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bstone

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So you have a provider/patient relationship with everyone you meet?

I am awesome at patient care and wont consider somewhere else, thanks.

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Yes, for every single patient you meet you immediately establish that relationship. If the person isn't your patient, but is instead a friend/relative/lover/alien, then you don't establish that relationship unless they have an emergency and you volunteer to help.
 

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"Duty To Act

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If you are off duty and not functioning in an EMS capacity, however, in most states you have no more legal obligation to act than any other citizen.

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Duty to act
"The duty to act is not always clear. It depends on your state and local law. In many states,an off-duty EMT has no legal obligation to provide care"

page 55-56
Emergency Care 11th edition by Brady (EMT-B)

I might have a duty to act. I will act by picking up my phone and calling 911 (US). When off duty you are just a layperson.
 

bstone

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Ps i feel like i have a good reason for an opinion on this. My aunt was killed administering first aid on a seldom traveled county road. Ill provide links for those interested.

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That absolutely sucks and is terrible. EMTs also lose their lives when working in the back of the ambulance, due to accidents and such. Does that mean you won't also work in the back of an ambulance?
 

JPINFV

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I understand your position. I disagree with it, so we'll agree to disagree. :rolleyes:


So, what changed your mind that AAOS might not be completely infallible?
 

Tigger

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Hope you are not a practicing EMT near Massachusetts! Maybe you should look for another line of work besides patient care?

This is a joke right? You are aware that there is absolutely no duty to act while off-duty in Massachusetts right? Just because you happen to carry a jump kit around ready to respond to any sort of malady or accident you find does not make you a superior provider to anyone.
 

Sasha

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Yes, for every single patient you meet you immediately establish that relationship. If the person isn't your patient, but is instead a friend/relative/lover/alien, then you don't establish that relationship unless they have an emergency and you volunteer to help.

They are not patients til i iniate care, and im not intiating care off duty.

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usalsfyre

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My question us why are you so interested in trying to make people act off-duty? No other health profession struggles with this issue that I'm aware of.
 

bstone

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So, what changed your mind that AAOS might not be completely infallible?

My mind hasn't changed. I said we are agreeing to disagree.
 

bstone

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They are not patients til i iniate care, and im not intiating care off duty.

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Just curious- what would you do if you were in one of the states that require anyone with EMS training to render care and makes it a criminal act to fail to do so?
 

Tigger

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That absolutely sucks and is terrible. EMTs also lose their lives when working in the back of the ambulance, due to accidents and such. Does that mean you won't also work in the back of an ambulance?

That is a completely different scenario and you know it.
 

Sasha

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That absolutely sucks and is terrible. EMTs also lose their lives when working in the back of the ambulance, due to accidents and such. Does that mean you won't also work in the back of an ambulance?

I take percautions. I am protected if i get hurt by workers comp and no one will come sue me for being in the back of the truck.

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Has MA OEMS come out with an official position statement requiring off duty EMS providers to stop and render aid since I left MA?

Just my opinion if someone gets in an accident in front of me I am going to stop and render care as it is the way I was brought up to help my fellow citizen. You can do whatever you want!
 

Sasha

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Just curious- what would you do if you were in one of the states that require anyone with EMS training to render care and makes it a criminal act to fail to do so?

I would never work in those states.

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