Bachelor's Degree in EMS?

Those with education will generally not see a problem with getting a education. Those without an education will continue to find excuses. 46Young, you have spent most of your life trying to justify why you shouldn't get an education and you seem to be seeking others like you to validate your lack of education.

Do not try to discourage those who are seeking more from their chosen career than you have sought.

Do not discourage those who do have goals in mind and yes, the ambitous can achieve the positions where competition is stiff. These are the people who do not need a union telling them what to do.

Do not drag down those who would like to see the Paramedic become a recognized medical professional.

Do not continue to discourage and criticize those who do want to do quality patient care and not just rely on a few skills and recipes to get them a FD job with a union card.
 
Those with education will generally not see a problem with getting a education. Those without an education will continue to find excuses. 46Young, you have spent most of your life trying to justify why you shouldn't get an education and you seem to be seeking others like you to validate your lack of education.

Do not try to discourage those who are seeking more from their chosen career than you have sought.

Do not discourage those who do have goals in mind and yes, the ambitous can achieve the positions where competition is stiff. These are the people who do not need a union telling them what to do.

Do not drag down those who would like to see the Paramedic become a recognized medical professional.
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Do not continue to discourage and criticize those who do want to do quality patient care and not just rely on a few skills and recipes to get them a FD job with a union card.

So I'll have to assume then that you have no answer to my previous post but instead to lecture me on education and again try to make it a FD thing. Ironically for you my FD upgrades FF/EMT's to medics through a degree program, and requires degrees for advancement, specifically EMS degrees for the EMS career track. Don't project your generalizations regarding the fire service and EMS onto my dept and my dedication to doing well in the field of EMS.

I've spelled it out as clearly as I can why I deferred education. All valid reasons in my particular case, I'd like to hear how they weren't, if you can. I'm not against education per se, but if alternate methods are truly the only viable way for someone to get the position they want, then I can't fault them. In those cases, it's either go the more creative route, or don't do it at all. What benefit would "not doing it at all" hold for someone who legitimately can't do it otherwise?
 
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Sure, but I'd still hate to put my life on hold for four years and then have to wait tables at the local TGIF afterward due to a closed field.

What I was asking is if the commitment of a four year degree in Health Admin, or Public Admin (Business Admin is obviously versatile) would assure me a position similar to the one posted. It's easy to post something like that, but it means nothing if your chance of landing that type of job is, in reality, slim to none. I'm just asking if the job availability will be there, along with that level of compensation for someone with a BA in EMS. Valid question when considering education for a future career path. Arguably the most important question.

Would a BA in EMS actually lead to these positions, or would one need to compete against many others for relatively few positions? Would a degree in another field be more likely to land one of those jobs? Important questions that ought not be ignored if your career aspirations lead you in the direction of one of those positions.

I'm asking if a BA in EMS is being falsely misrepresented as a sure thing for one of these positions or if that degree would actually hold that much power. Not a bad question to ask when four years of your young life are being invested.

What you get out of any degree program is what you make of it. I just got an e-mail about my state's updated treatment protocols....we were told to contact XXXX, clinical coordinator, RN if there were any questions. There's a job that's not even being advertised to those within EMS because it's being taken by a nurse. It seems to me that that a paramedic should be in this position: someone who is an expert in EMS. It would take at least a BS to justify replacing the current nurse.

Never mind the plethora of advanced degrees that can be obtained, thereby opening all sorts of opportunities not even being considered here. Want to get a MPH? good luck without a BS. Of course there is no guarantee of being paid more. There never is with just a bachelors....as I mentioned, its a poor decision to go to college if you only look at the money. But the opportunities are vastly larger.

The OP sounds like he's going to college one way or another. He sounds like he's lucky enough to be in a situation to make a decisions about what sort of program to pick, rather than choosing college vs. no college. In that light, getting a BS in EMS rather than a BS in something else is not such a bad decision. As I mentioned in general a BS is a poor financial choice, and at least a BS in EMS puts you at the top of the game in your chosen field.

More importantly, it's very nice to have choices. Getting a -P cert is a great lead in to exactly one thing...being a paramedic. AS paramedic degree...choices expand to "be a paramedic or go to school to finish my BS" Get a BS paramedic degree, and the choices for future pathways are much more numerous.

To me, the pluses for the OP

1. better for patient care and EMS in general
2. more choices (Especially if he decides he doesn't like EMS or wants to do something different...definitely a possibility!)
3. knowledge is interesting, and college teaches you to think. There's no way to quantify this, but the way information is treated in a serious academic program is special. Programs that encourage students to learn by understanding and manipulating information, rather than memorizing, provide an incredible service to their students. Information is only useful if it can be manipulated, and that's a mental task that takes practice. Not all classes are like this, but if you can find some that are, they are gems that affect how you approach information in any setting. Not that such experiences are exclusive to BS programs, but I bet they're more common than in non-BS programs.
 
46young,

I get it. You do not want to sacrifice anything and can hide in the FD with a union to protect you and to pat you on the back for not promoting education to where it might actually be required someday for the Paramedic.

I have no more answers for your excuses. You are a grown man of about 35 y/o and have managed to avoid education by justifying you are "a good Paramedic" without any of that education stuff. Maybe you are and maybe you aren't. You still should not be telling young people to just get a union card and forget all that book learnin' stuff. Your life may be a mess and complicated but that doesn't mean everybody's life is like that and others may be able to handle life's obstacles better than you.

You will probably never change in your attitude and will still continue to justify not going to college next year and the year after and the year after that.
 
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What do you all think of majors in EMS/emergency medicine/etc?

Examples:

University of Pittsburgh

Stony Brook University (SUNY)

I'm a high school student, and I am very interested in EMS. I think that I would be more interested in these programs rather than the usual biology/chemistry/etc majors. I am also interested in getting a bachelor's degree so that I can keep any graduate/professional schools open for opportunities.

Definetly, if you have the oppurtunity go to school you should go now while your young. Can you minor in something? I wouldnt put all your eggs in one basket either. You may not even like EMS then what? Do some research see what the core classes are and if there transferable. Are there expiration dates, usually sciences will only transfer for ten-years or so in my experience.

You wont be getting rich in EMS no matter what your education level is. Leave yourself other avenues if you decide in five years you dont even like EMS.

I always state when asked to spend some time in EMS first, its not expensive to get your foot in the door. Paramedic school is expensive and basically useless if you decide EMS isnt for you. I would never try to disuade someone from education because it opens oppurtunities for you. However paramedic or EMT training isnt going to do much for you if your not in EMS.

Just go in prepared because you wont always be a highschool student and it wont always be easy to go to school, things that appeal to you now may not down the road if you prepare you wont have any problems with a career change later on if you choose.

Just my opinion.
 
You wont be getting rich in EMS no matter what your education level is. Leave yourself other avenues if you decide in five years you dont even like EMS.
Just my opinion.

First off

If you want to only work in the field as a Paramedic good luck paying off that bachelors in EMS.

In the defense of some, most of the people on here who have more college education and those who preach EMT's and Paramedics getting more education, have chosen other fields and unrelated(not EMS) degrees.
Is there anyone on this bored who is just a field Paramedic with a bachelors in EMS? I would like to hear more from you.

As for me, I am almost done with my AAS and I am still deciding if I should go on to complete a bachelors. The only reason I am even able to consider this is because of my GI bill and veterans benefits. It may not be a good path for others depending on there career goal. IMO
 
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Agreed

I would never knock education. Just research the options first.
 
In the defense of some, most of the people on here who have more college education and those who preach EMT's and Paramedics getting more education, have chosen other fields and unrelated(not EMS) degrees.
Is there anyone on this bored who is just a field Paramedic with a bachelors in EMS? I would like to hear more from you.

My Associates was in Paramedicine and my Bachelors was in Cardiopulmonary Science. I worked 15 years on ground (mostly FD) and CCT with the other 15 on Flight as a Paramedic. I wanted a challenge in critical care medicine. My RN partners are required to have a BSN with the MSN preferred to accompany their many years of critical care experience.

Also, those who want to teach at a state college will need at least a Bachelors with a Masters preferred. Those who want to gain promotions in the FD will find the Bachelors very handy to have.
 
Loma Linda in California also has a great program which offers different tracks. The only problem is being surrounded by California EMS.

I will be visiting this campus soon and hopefully (fingers crossed) will apply for the 2011 semester. I have an AS fire science right now but would love a BA esp in paramedicine. Im looking to go the teaching route though
 
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I will be visiting this campus soon and hopefully (fingers crossed) will apply for the 2011 semester. I have an AS fire science right now but would love a BA esp in paramedicine. Im looking to go the teaching route though

The SDA life has some quirks but I don't think you'll be disappointed with the education.
 
SDA life?
 
Seventh Day Adventist. Campus closed on Saturday. No EtOH, tobacco, recreational drugs. So on and so forth. Make sure to read the catalogue before going there.
 
Seventh Day Adventist. Campus closed on Saturday. No EtOH, tobacco, recreational drugs. So on and so forth. Make sure to read the catalogue before going there.

So much for the college experience. :D
 
This means that all students are expected to refrain from the use of tobacco, alcohol, and other recreational or unlawful drugs while enrolled at the University.
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If a student or students are involved in the distribution or use of drugs, alcohol, or tobacco at an on or off campus public or private social event, they will be subject to discipline, up to and including dismissal.

http://www.llu.edu/central/handbook/6a.page

Discussion of mandatory chapel service on Wednesday mornings...

http://myllu.llu.edu/apps/publications/view_pub.php?root_content_item_id=929#550


I'm not sure how the EMS degree application is handled, but I know for the MD program, the secondary application included a behavior contract where they laid all of this out ahead of time.
 
jrm818 is correct. I am fortunate enough to be able to pursue college. Also, I am quite certain in my interest in EMS. I am a volunteer for my town's ambulance squad. While I am not yet an EMT-B, I am just another set of hands to help out the EMTs on the crew. I take vital signs, I sometimes fill out the run sheets (except the narrative), I perform CPR/first aid skills as needed, I interact with patients, and I see EMTs and paramedics on scene and everyone's role in patient care (at least pre-hospital care). I also attend a health sciences oriented high school, which allows me to apply my knowledge from school into practical use. This is why I am quite certain of my choice to pursue a bachelor's degree in EMS/emergency management/emergency medicine/etc.
 
http://www.llu.edu/central/handbook/6a.page

Discussion of mandatory chapel service on Wednesday mornings...

http://myllu.llu.edu/apps/publications/view_pub.php?root_content_item_id=929#550


I'm not sure how the EMS degree application is handled, but I know for the MD program, the secondary application included a behavior contract where they laid all of this out ahead of time.

WOW, How can this school teach science? It seems like a lot of things regarding science would contradict there religion?
 
Science and religion are not necessarily incompatible. Albeit the Catholic schools are much more liberal when it comes to student policies, should the Catholic schools (New York Medical College, Saint Louis University, Creighton, Loyola, and Georgetown) be closed down because they are associated in one manner or another with a religious faith?
 
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If you want to only work in the field as a Paramedic good luck paying off that bachelors in EMS.

Maybe the wages in the USA are a lot worse, but there are many places in Canada where one could make a good living. If I was able to take a BA in paramedicine in Alberta, I'd do it in a second.
 
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