Anyone taken an accelerated EMT-P course?

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How do you really know? Your certificate ink is not dry yet and you’re already presuming you have equivelant knowledge? How many cardiac cases have you personally been responsible for (no preceptor, no other Paramedic, etc) yet?. How many difficult arrhythmias have you interpreted and have you worked a CHF vs. COPD respiratory or pediatric arrest yet?

There is a reason schools are generally set up the way they are. Believe it or not, someone smarter than a clock hour certificate figured this out way time ago. Sure many attempt to short cut, but soon find out it makes it bad for the profession and definitely bad on the patient. This is why more and more on-line, bridge, and other alternative programs are being closely scrutinized, increasing the required hours or just slowly being phased out. Many may pass the boards with flying colors; but they do not know what to do in the job.

Instead of making it easier, we should be making length twice as hard. Too many are allowed to be Paramedics. Make the curriculum demanding enough that one has to actually master the objectives and have a full understanding of the material. Let's have more scenario base simulations with intense clinical and set number of patient contacts; not hours. Fortunately, the new curriculum will have patient contacts, not just hours; so at least that is an improvement.

R/r 911


AND HOW MANY HAVE YOU ??? Everyone starts somewhere, and it seems that if someone deosnt know the same things you do, start out on "your level", you want to knock their ideas or dreams down. You seriously need to get over yourself, as I have said before. There is a huge difference in helping people understand, and knocking down everyone who tries to do something. Your hateful, your arrogant, cocky, and just a flat out,want to know it all kinda guy. I have yet to find ANYTHING on this entire site where you have been nice, encourage, or give props to anyone. People dont come to this site to hear you put them down, make your stupid little sarcastic remarks, or listen to how much you think you know". Truth is, you dont know it all either, so its about time you man up and quit being so rude. Why would you even put yourself on a site,that is here for people to ask questions and learn, when all your gonna do is be hateful about what they dont know. Giving advice, helping someone learn, and answering someones questions is one thing, but when your going to continue to be so hateful when they do, take a look at all the post you post on this site about how you think ems should have higher education standards, but when someone does want to know something, you make them feel so low and not want to ask anything again.
 
AND HOW MANY HAVE YOU ??? Everyone starts somewhere, and it seems that if someone deosnt know the same things you do, start out on "your level", you want to knock their ideas or dreams down. You seriously need to get over yourself, as I have said before. There is a huge difference in helping people understand, and knocking down everyone who tries to do something. Your hateful, your arrogant, cocky, and just a flat out,want to know it all kinda guy. I have yet to find ANYTHING on this entire site where you have been nice, encourage, or give props to anyone. People dont come to this site to hear you put them down, make your stupid little sarcastic remarks, or listen to how much you think you know". Truth is, you dont know it all either, so its about time you man up and quit being so rude. Why would you even put yourself on a site,that is here for people to ask questions and learn, when all your gonna do is be hateful about what they dont know. Giving advice, helping someone learn, and answering someones questions is one thing, but when your going to continue to be so hateful when they do, take a look at all the post you post on this site about how you think ems should have higher education standards, but when someone does want to know something, you make them feel so low and not want to ask anything again.


Ms Medic Rid is an honest helpful poster here and at other sites. Yes he will give you his opinion even if it is not the popular one. His many years and education to go with it back his statements. Please keep posting but also open your mind to Rids post even when you disagree and you will be a better Paramedic for it. Besides myself you have Rid, Vent, AJ and a few others that will tell you like it is but will also work to help you if you seriously want help. I'm not saying back down from a discussion, but present facts for your side. Then everyone benefits.
 
Ms Medic Rid is an honest helpful poster here and at other sites. Yes he will give you his opinion even if it is not the popular one. His many years and education to go with it back his statements. Please keep posting but also open your mind to Rids post even when you disagree and you will be a better Paramedic for it. Besides myself you have Rid, Vent, AJ and a few others that will tell you like it is but will also work to help you if you seriously want help. I'm not saying back down from a discussion, but present facts for your side. Then everyone benefits.

Postings are facts !!! And my mind is opened, which is why I am on here. As I said in my post, there is a difference in helping someone, and helping someone by knocking them with sarcastic, rude comments. If he wants to state his "facts", then why not leave out the hatefullness, sarcasm, and arrogance, which is in 99% of his posts. Im all about learning from someone who is clearly more knowledgeable, but not when it comes with all the rudeness. Nobody benefits from hatefullness.
 
Before you start a huge fight on here, let me make a suggestion. Go back and read the entire forum for the last five years. You will learn that there has been hundreds of posters just like you. You take stuff personally, you get your feelings hurt easy and that keeps you from learning from those that have the experience in EMS.

There are quite a few here that started out just like you. They did not like Rid and Vent telling them they were wrong, all the time. Guess what, They were wrong and they decided to learn from it. They are now great members here and have advanced their EMS careers over it.

People will tell you like it is. Learn to deal with that and you will learn a lot of knowledge here. Whine and moan, and I can bet you won't be here in a year. That would be a shame. You can become a great medic, if you learn to gather the wisdom of those of us that have lived it and learned from the mistakes of the past!;)
 
AND HOW MANY HAVE YOU ??? Everyone starts somewhere, and it seems that if someone deosnt know the same things you do, start out on "your level", you want to knock their ideas or dreams down. You seriously need to get over yourself, as I have said before. There is a huge difference in helping people understand, and knocking down everyone who tries to do something. Your hateful, your arrogant, cocky, and just a flat out,want to know it all kinda guy. I have yet to find ANYTHING on this entire site where you have been nice, encourage, or give props to anyone. People dont come to this site to hear you put them down, make your stupid little sarcastic remarks, or listen to how much you think you know". Truth is, you dont know it all either, so its about time you man up and quit being so rude. Why would you even put yourself on a site,that is here for people to ask questions and learn, when all your gonna do is be hateful about what they dont know. Giving advice, helping someone learn, and answering someones questions is one thing, but when your going to continue to be so hateful when they do, take a look at all the post you post on this site about how you think ems should have higher education standards, but when someone does want to know something, you make them feel so low and not want to ask anything again.

I am not here or to promote hand holding and to "make things easy or feel better" b.s. Medicine is tough, prehospital care is rougher. I am a patient advocate; whatever it takes to make patient care better.

I was shocking patients and interpreting XII leads before your mom & dad probably held hands. Alike most other Paramedics I have worked multiple jobs at one time, so my experience is vast and usually at a mixture of rural and metropolitan. From a small rural town to Parkland Trauma Center, National Level Trauma Studies to various forms of EMS such as HEMS, SCT, etc.

How do I know such? Because yes, I've been there and done it. Yeah, I went through three Paramedic programs One which was 3 months long, another a hospital based then finally for my degree. I went to a bridge Paramedic to RN program Then completed a BS and BSN; now nearly MSN. I have seen an observation of literally hundreds of people that have done the same. There is very few that will tell you differently than .. whenever you take a shortcut, you will have to make it up later.

You want someone to compliment you on passing a test, well that's been done and truthfully wish you well. Now, within 96 hours after passing your test, you are now attempting to have knowledge enough of EMS Systems and the education/training within it to actually give an opinion as a fact. Now I ask based upon what? What true academia and research you can produce that proclaims that it is true? Want to compare academic comparison of short cut programs and those that require the other? How many program analysis and educational evaluations have you performed? You spouted that the state mandates the requirement as if that was a outstanding accomplishment.

Sorry you find me sarcastic, rude, not being helpful. Truthfully, I don't care. I am not here to make people feel good about themselves or give reassurance. That comes within knowing you have the education, knowledge and with gained clinical experience. I forewarn you to await until a physician or nurse informs you the facts of life. I can assure you, my method is much more diplomatic and pleasant.

Yeah, I don't sugar coat it. Not for anyone, not my students, or peers. or people that post. If they want my opinion they get it, they state and post inaccurate or opinions sole based upon only one view, I speak up. Just like my avatar.

I base my opinions upon several things. First is it true? As per academia, research and published education? Second real clinical experience.Third I may play a Devils advocate: I may post an opinion or fact that I totally disagree with. Why? To spark debate and to create an environment to "think outside the box". Am I ever wrong? You bet and I have more than once apologized or corrected myself.

There is too much candy coating in EMS already; one of the reason so many enter and only to drop out within a few years.

It's okay to have opinions everyone has one, however; when questioned be able to defend or debate it. I have found those that need encouragement and reaffirmation, usually have a difficult time in EMS and medicine until they understand what I discussed.

I do wish you the best, but remember it takes a tough skin to be in EMS.

R/r 911
 
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Before you start a huge fight on here, let me make a suggestion. Go back and read the entire forum for the last five years. You will learn that there has been hundreds of posters just like you. You take stuff personally, you get your feelings hurt easy and that keeps you from learning from those that have the experience in EMS.

There are quite a few here that started out just like you. They did not like Rid and Vent telling them they were wrong, all the time. Guess what, They were wrong and they decided to learn from it. They are now great members here and have advanced their EMS careers over it.

People will tell you like it is. Learn to deal with that and you will learn a lot of knowledge here. Whine and moan, and I can bet you won't be here in a year. That would be a shame. You can become a great medic, if you learn to gather the wisdom of those of us that have lived it and learned from the mistakes of the past!;)

ONCE AGAIN,,,,,I never said he wasnt helpful, and I dont have a problem with someone teling me Im wrong and helping me learn from it. READ MY POST BETTER. But there are better ways to go about it, other than be hateful. My whole problem is the hateful, cocky attitude, along with the extremely rude sarcastic comments to those who are new to ems, or havent had the experience as he has.
 
I know I'm getting in late on the conversation here but, what do you consider accelerated? My Medic class was 18 mo.'s long.... Also a good instructor makes all the difference in the world I think. Mine was truely AWESOME!


Unfortunately 18 months tells us very little about your program. When the medic program is still measured by "hours of training" rather than universally accepted academic measures, there is little way to compare. Your program could consist of only 700 hours but was stretched out to 18 months by attending 1 day per week.

An EMT-B class consisting of a mere 110 hours can be made to sound impressive by saying it lasted 1 year. However, when compared to a true academic measure, one would consider that very pathetic.
 
How do I know such? Because yes, I've been there and done it. Yeah, I went through three Paramedic programs One which was 3 months long, another a hospital based then finally for my degree. I went to a bridge Paramedic to RN program Then completed a BS and BSN; now nearly MSN. I have seen an observation of literally hundreds of people that have done the same. There is very few that will tell you differently than .. whenever you take a shortcut, you will have to make it up later.

You want someone to compliment you on passing a test, well that's been done and truthfully wish you well. Now, within 96 hours after passing your test, you are now attempting to have knowledge enough of EMS Systems and the education/training within it to actually give an opinion as a fact. Now I ask based upon what? What true academia and research you can produce that proclaims that it is true? Want to compare academic comparison of short cut programs and those that require the other? How many program analysis and educational evaluations have you performed? You spouted that the state mandates the requirement as if that was a outstanding accomplishment.

Sorry you find me sarcastic, rude, not being helpful. Truthfully, I don't care. I am not here to make people feel good about themselves or give reassurance. That comes within knowing you have the education, knowledge and with gained clinical experience. I forewarn you to await until a physician or nurse informs you the facts of life. I can assure you, my method is much more diplomatic and pleasant.

Yeah, I don't sugar coat it. Not for anyone, not my students, or peers. or people that post. If they want my opinion they get it, they state and post inaccurate or opinions sole based upon only one view, I speak up. Just like my avatar.

I base my opinions upon several things. First is it true? As per academia, research and published education? Second real clinical experience.Third I may play a Devils advocate: I may post an opinion or fact that I totally disagree with. Why? To spark debate and to create an environment to "think outside the box". Am I ever wrong? You bet and I have more than once apologized or corrected myself.

There is too much candy coating in EMS already; one of the reason so many enter and only to drop out within a few years.

It's okay to have opinions everyone has one, however; when questioned be able to defend or debate it. I have found those that need encouragement and reaffirmation, usually have a difficult time in EMS and medicine until they understand what I discussed.

I do wish you the best, but remember it takes a tough skin to be in EMS.

R/r 911





Okay first of all, you obviously didn't read my post very well, and me having just passed my exam, had absolutely nothing to do with your rudeness, your attitude, or anything else that I posted. I dont pretend to have an abundance of knowledge, I know that I dont, and I know that theres things that I will never know in ems. However, I dont need your hateful sarcasm, as does anyone else. You want to be "just sarcastic", fine, I Im 100% sarcastic myself, but hatefullness does not need to come along with it.

AND, who said anything about sugar coating anything. Theres a difference in the "hardcore truth", and once again, hatefull sarcasm, and knocking others for lack of experience who are truly in ems because they love it, and strive to be the best that they can. Me being one of those, it really irritates me to see others trying hard too, only for you to come behind them and be so hatefull, when its not even relevant to what they are trying to learn about.

I will admit, there are some posters who seem to have no common sense whatsoever, but as long as they are truly trying to better themselves, with what they have, be supportive. Its not hard to do.

And last, HOW DO YOU FIGURE THAT IM TELLING YOU YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT ???? THOSE WORDS WERE NEVER TYPED.
 
Ms. Medic- Take a deep breath and calm down. Then take a look at what you have done to get your cert as a paramedic aside from the course itself; what classes have you taken? You allready listed A&P, what else? Hearing that might, maybe, change some of what you are hearing versus people just assuming that you went straight through a quick 6 month paramedic course that doesn't do much for teaching people. You need to realize that there are many, many people who go through an "accelerated" paramedic course and come out knowing exactly squat, due in large part to the fact that nothing is really taught and all the students are expected to do is memorize things. While this may not apply to you, you will get lumped into the same group without doing something to show you know more; stereotypes suck, but look at how often they're true.

Now go back and look at some of Ridryder's posts on this and similar topics. While they aren't sugar-coated, and shouldn't be (the days of having your hand held and told that everything is ok are over in this line of work...and that's a general you not YOU) they always have the same theme, that the amount of education for this profession needs to increase. Honestly ask yourself, do you really disagree? If all you did was your accelerated course with no other classes like I'm betting a lot of your classmates did, would you be prepared? Now wait 6 months are so and answer that same question again. It may be a very, very different answer. While there is always a learning curve for new paramedics, knowing what is happening to your pt, why it's happening, and why what you are doing will work will make your job so much easier; if all you know how to do is "give this when I see that," like get's taught in many short courses and many longer ones, you will have many problems; our pt's didn't read the textbook...the :censored::censored::censored::censored::censored::censored::censored:s...how they present and the multiple problems all occuring at once will be very different than what you learned in school. Even if all you took was A&P, that'll help; you'll have a much better understanding of how the body works and how a problem with one system will cause issues with another, as well as being prepared for that to happen than many of your classmates. But what would it be like if you hadn't taken A&P?

As far as some posts not being nice...I'm sorry, but you aren't in kindergarten anymore. This is not a group therapy session. You are now expected to assess, diagnose and treat your pt's appropriately. If you do it incorrectly, don't expect to have someone pat you on the back and make it all better. The same goes for all aspects of this job, from what you were taught to what you do; when you do it wrong, the responce very well may not be a nice one. If you don't like it here, think of what it'll be like when it's being said to your face; and you've allready experienced that at least once, haven't you? Get used to it.

medic417- Seriously, either put up, or shutup. While Ridryder, Ventmedic, AJ and multiple others have extreme amounts of credentials, experience and knowledge, and, whether or not I agree with everything they say, very often bring excellent information and viewpoints, all you seem to do is parrot people and get very vauge when asked for specifics. Perhaps you could enlighten us with your background and, hopefully, leave me with egg on my face. Or perhaps you could think about what you are saying before you say it.
 
You want someone to compliment you on passing a test, well that's been done and truthfully wish you well. Now, within 96 hours after passing your test, you are now attempting to have knowledge enough of EMS Systems and the education/training within it to actually give an opinion as a fact. Now I ask based upon what? What true academia and research you can produce that proclaims that it is true?


Show me where in the world that I "pretended to have knowledge" please. I HAVENT. And thats not even what my post was about. Once again, you want to go after something thats not relevant.
 
medic417- Seriously, either put up, or shutup. While Ridryder, Ventmedic, AJ and multiple others have extreme amounts of credentials, experience and knowledge, and, whether or not I agree with everything they say, very often bring excellent information and viewpoints, all you seem to do is parrot people and get very vauge when asked for specifics. Perhaps you could enlighten us with your background and, hopefully, leave me with egg on my face. Or perhaps you could think about what you are saying before you say it.


I present arguements that make you think outside your comfort zone there fore you choose to take a cheap shot at me. Yes I am very blunt and short. As an educator I expect people to research so they get the material not only in their minds but their hearts. This you take for vague, parrot talk, But I assure you I think for myself and advocate education. I will not give the education away, you must earn it grasshopper. I sugar coat less than Vent, Rid, and A.J.. But perhaps I should not include myself with them. So if I offended by doing so I apologize. Have a great day.
 
I present arguements that make you think outside your comfort zone there fore you choose to take a cheap shot at me. Yes I am very blunt and short. As an educator I expect people to research so they get the material not only in their minds but their hearts. This you take for vague, parrot talk, But I assure you I think for myself and advocate education. I will not give the education away, you must earn it grasshopper. I sugar coat less than Vent, Rid, and A.J.. But perhaps I should not include myself with them. So if I offended by doing so I apologize. Have a great day.
Riiight. Taken to PM to keep the thread open. Though if you'd like to enlighten everyone with some specifics about your background, please feel free to embarass me.
 
. I just hope you remember that, in the system you hail from, you are very much the exception to the rule.

Understood, which is exactly what I stated in the very first post, explaining just a fraction of how much self motivation you have to have to go through one of these. And I stated before, if you dont have any, you cannot come out of one of these programs with the intent to initiate patient care. Thats just down right ridiculous, and not to mention selfish. These programs are not for just anybody, as did I also state, but then out of nowhere, I get side swiped and told that Im "pretending to know everything" because I just passed my test ??????????? WTH.

And just FYI : It was not ALL 3 that were prereqs, just intro, and then you had to take 1 while you were doing the basic course. And then as I continued through the degree program, and had spent all of my savings to go through it, my 16 year old brother was killed, so I withdrew, and got none of my money back because it had been too long.
Saved up again to finish, and I had an ooops baby boy born at 24 weeks. So once again I was back to square one. So it wasnt like I had absolutely no clue as to what I was doing when I decided to go through the fast track. I had several college courses, to include my A&Ps, computer, algebra's/calculus, writing/english, and I have worked hard at all of them. So forgive me if I get a little offended when someone knocks my education, and tells me I wont be as good as the rest that went through a 2 year degree program. BS.

And Im not looking for sympathy, before anyone throws that line out there (Rid). LOL.:P
 
Riiight. Taken to PM to keep the thread open. Though if you'd like to enlighten everyone with some specifics about your background, please feel free to embarass me.

No background will be given here or in reply to the PM never recieved, as I have no desire to embarass you. Have a great day.

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Okay, in reading this little debacle today, I'm seriously tempted to lock this thread but I'm not going to at this time.

What I am going to do is say this, and I apologize in advance for the shouting but I want to make sure that everyone understands it...

BE POLITE OR BE THE FOCUS OF MY COMPLETE AND UNDIVIDED ATTENTION!

Your choice.

If you've got an issue with a post, please use the report post function. If you've got an issue with a member, take it to PM. If you want to throw a temper tantrum, go elsewhere to do it.
 
Thank you ffemt8978.

As to the accelerated programs the greatest problem I have is that there is no way to actually educate a person that does not already have a higher medical education in a 10-16 week program. You can teach the test but w/o a medical background you can not get the education required to think for yourself.
 
Okay, in reading this little debacle today, I'm seriously tempted to lock this thread but I'm not going to at this time.

What I am going to do is say this, and I apologize in advance for the shouting but I want to make sure that everyone understands it...

BE POLITE OR BE THE FOCUS OF MY COMPLETE AND UNDIVIDED ATTENTION!

Your choice.

If you've got an issue with a post, please use the report post function. If you've got an issue with a member, take it to PM. If you want to throw a temper tantrum, go elsewhere to do it.



Talk about throwing a temper tantrum !!!! LOL. :P


As for being polite,,,,thats what this lil arguement is about.
 
Talk about throwing a temper tantrum !!!! LOL. :P


As for being polite,,,,thats what this lil arguement is about.

Yep...but I call it "Fair Warning" :P
 
Okay, I tried it the nice way.

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