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Whoops.
The more I think, the more I realize that this could have happened to me... I guess I'll be more careful what's in front of the bay.
The more I think, the more I realize that this could have happened to me... I guess I'll be more careful what's in front of the bay.
JPINFV
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Crew in question?
Hmm. Gotta love it when the story doesn't mention exactly who was drunk. If this was Boston, I'd put even money between the fire fighters and the patient.
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JP... thats not right. Too true, though.
JPINFV
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You know, my views might be different if Boston FD didn't do everything possible to prevent drunk or high fire fighters from responding following the Payne/Cahill LODD a few years ago. Instead of, you know, trying to maintain a drug and alcohol free workplace, they complained about the fact that autopsies were leaked.
So why the hell are we blaming the fire fighters? They were told the man was near the station, not RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DOOR. They truck is high, they can't see right where he is. Okay, so now every time we pull out of our bay, we have to run to the front of the truck to make sure nothing there?
It's a drunk homeless man who probably did it on purpose... Come on...
It's a drunk homeless man who probably did it on purpose... Come on...
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well that would suck, that would be a crappy PCR to write up. but i can see how it could happen some of the trucks here are really close to the bay door and if somthing was right in front on the ground i wouldnt see it.
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Yeah that's it. Blame the victim.
If you live in a residential area do you check your driveway for kids and toys laying in front of or behind your vehicle?
How many have been on a call where someone drove over their kid and you thought it was really stupid of them to pull out without checking?
In a city with curious kids and tourists attracted to fire trucks and ambulances, one should never assume the path is clear.
This could've been my department, too. We get walk-in calls occasionally, and there have been near misses in the past--usually when someone was coming in as we were dispatched for another call.
Now it's the responsibility of whoever opens the bay door to make sure everything's clear. But I could easily see someone forgetting on just the wrong night.
Now it's the responsibility of whoever opens the bay door to make sure everything's clear. But I could easily see someone forgetting on just the wrong night.
Or he was disoriented from the wound to his head and blood loss. He couldn't have been that drunk if he was looking for and headed towards help. Often the media will throw things like that in as a way to diffuse the heat from the public.
NO! Lets blame the firefighters first, because patients can never do wrong!
The patient was making his way to help. Maybe that was his first mistake but he might have known how much some hate to leave the station so he probably thought he was doing them a favor by going to them.
The FFs should have confirmed the location with dispatch. What were they going to do? Drive up and down the street and all around their station?
The FFs should have known their truck had a blind spot. Whoever did their training FAILED.
What if this had been a curious child just wanting to get a closer look at the big fire trucks?
No excuses for the FFs.
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Right. Because drive by callers with cell phones always give the most accurate locations. Dispatch only knows as much as the 911 caller tells them. If dispatch doesn't have an exact location, they aren't going to be able to give the fire crew much.
I've asked dispatch for clarification on "man down" calls and been told "Yeah, Sorry, we've got nothing else, it was a cell phone caller and all they said was someone was lying on the sidewalk around the corner or 123 street and xyz Street"only to find the patient 1/2 way down the block, still lying there.
Sometimes the only way to find the patient is drive up and down the street and all around the location. You make it sound like having to look for a patient is an absurd idea, and I'm not sure why.
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They opened the bay door and didn't see him? Very curious.
I am sure calling the dispatcher was worthless unless the dispatcher is looking out the front of the bay door.
I am sure calling the dispatcher was worthless unless the dispatcher is looking out the front of the bay door.
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Would you feel the same had it been a mother pushing a baby in a stroller? An elderly lady coming in for a blood pressure check? A family member of a FF dropped in for a visit? Would you feel they did it on purpose too?
He was going towards help, and help ran him over. I don't care how fast you want to get your emergency, you check to see if your ENTIRE path is clear first, not just what you can see from the drivers seat knowing very well you have a blind spot.
Gotta agree on this.....how the fk do you not see something in front of you? Are the trucks 18 feet high?
Aidey
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In your personal vehicle can you see what is within 1 foot of the front of your bumper? On taller vehicles there is even a larger blind spot immediately in front of the rig, because the driver can't look straight down.
If they got in the truck with the bay door closed, and the guy was lying right in front of the door, or even up against it and they opened the door from the truck the victim would have probably been in the trucks blind spot.
If they got in the truck with the bay door closed, and the guy was lying right in front of the door, or even up against it and they opened the door from the truck the victim would have probably been in the trucks blind spot.
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Hate to leave the station? Seriously? Talk about inflammatory. That is a very broad, and incorrect, generalization that I doubt you have any real evidence to back up with.
According to the article, the location was passed along to them by their dispatch as "near" the station (as this is what was passed along by the 911 callers).
What, you haven't gotten jacked up directions while you were running a truck? Each and every time the directions were crystal clear? I seriously doubt it.
Considering that the vehicle's front tires missed the victim and he was actually struck by the rear wheels leads me to believe that the patient was indeed in the blind spot. Even the police seem to agree in their investigation....
If it had been a child the outcome would be non the less tragic.
It is very easy for you sit there behind you monitor and boldly proclaim "No excuses for the FFs." How do you know that? Were you there, were you driving? Did you witness the accident?
How about a
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