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starring in the local realtors office tv commercial doesnt make you a very famous celebrity.

very famous celebrities have managers/handlers that handle this sort of inquiry, which is usually made in person with an envelope full of cash.

your reading comprehension need work. did you miss the part of R/r's post that mention the live labs as part of his proposed medic program? i agree with his dismissal od a student that refused to touch/be touched. its a required part of the course.

if your friend is really uncomfortable in a classroom setting, he's SOL. as previously mentioned, you need several people to practice the skills. if he's so rich and famous, why doesnt he just hire and emt/lifeguard to watch his kids while they paddle about in that pool.

oh, and if you want to stick around and participate in our little corner of the net, id make amends and watch your tone. just a friendly suggestion....

If anyone needs work on reading and writing its you. Ever heard of spell check. Oh, and don't tell me to watch my tone after a reply like this. I didn't come on to this forum to be attacked or have to defend myself or my friend. I will take my questions elsewhere. And I would say half ownership in a nationally syndicated sitcom on NBC as well being the star of the show constitutes famous... just my opinion.
 
Woah!

RidRyder seems to be involved with a new concept program... where lectures are conducted via distance learning, but there are still lots of practical labs. I'm not sold on the concept - but is it that much different than how we are teaching CPR for the AHA? We plug in the DVD and sit and watch... and do CPR... and watch. AHA even has ACLS and BCLS courses set up in the same way as Rid's course - you get the lecture and take a test over the internet, then you go somewhere and take a practical exam with AHA instructors present.

As for celebrities in EMS courses - Didn't David Lee Roth get his medic and go thorough FDNY's academy and work as a medic for a while?
 
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Then if they are supposedly that "famous" which does not impress me; then take a first aid course. EMT courses are designed to educate those interested in working in EMS. Not interested "working on a meat wagon" then he needs to take a different course. This is what the whole course is designed for.

I am sure there maybe someone that will attempt to "sell" themselves out to train your so called friend. Unfortunately, one of the poor values of EMS is that we don't place our profession high enough to ensure quality standards of entrance admissions. But it won't matter. Your friend has a little problem it is called the law. Each state mandates certification and license criteria also. If they do not want to proceed to go through that level then take a first aid course. I am sure one can be privately obtained. Also being so rich might do nothing but open the door for increased risk for litigation. The reason most EMT's are not personally sued is they know there is no wealth.. Yet, on the other hand if there is money they can and yes, will sue on a personal basis.

I find it ironic being a close friend and labeling yourself as a Fire Medic, why didn't you consider doing it yourself? As well, there is much difference in building an educational level from the EMT level to Paramedic than entering at the first phase.

Like I described, I am leery of such education but unfortunately someone will do it. I much rather have real educators develop a program and curriculum than those that produce such fly by night programs to be trained in. Also the program I am discussing has strict admission requirements, such as previous field experience and collegiate level prerequisites. One year (8 hrs) of A & P, Microbiology, College Algebra, Chemistry and experience references are required before being accepted into the program.

For me, I personally could care less if your friend was a king, game show host or a bum on the street. Stardom and "celebrity" stardom does not impress me or change the outcome when dealing with someones life and the EMS profession. When I teach, my concern is how well they will provide patient care and nothing else. David Lee Roth and many others of personality/celebrity fame took the time to enter and finish EMT courses, even clinical time. It's called doing it right.

If your friend really wants to project his humanitarian side then either donate their image, fame, or even money to sponsor EMS services or promotion of EMS. This would greatly project a well needed area and reach much more than having taken a course that means nothing if one does not use or practice what they learned.

R/r 911
 
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Rid, do you think this college will also make an Intermediate course online?
 
This institution no longer has the EMT/ I program. In fact, the majority of the educational facilities in my state have abandoned teaching the Intermediate level. One of the lother local schools I also teach at has only one course for EMT/I it is one of the few.

There is multiple reasons. Employers does not recognize the difference from Basic to EMT/I and educators do not want students to stop mid-way in the Paramedic program.

R/r 911
 
This institution no longer has the EMT/ I program. In fact, the majority of the educational facilities in my state have abandoned teaching the Intermediate level. One of the lother local schools I also teach at has only one course for EMT/I it is one of the few.

There is multiple reasons. Employers does not recognize the difference from Basic to EMT/I and educators do not want students to stop mid-way in the Paramedic program.

R/r 911

Shame. I think that EMT-Intermediate should be seriously considered as a pre-req to EMT-Paramedic as the different between Basic and Paramedic are huge, while successful passing of Intermediate may demonstrate mastery of certain skills (IV, EKG, ETT in some areas, etc).
 
Rid,

Are you worried that once this is allowed that it will pave the way for more programs that aren't of the same quality as yours?

I know those that started one the first medic mills in Florida had great intentions also and they, too, were excellent Paramedics and instructors. However, the other 20+ medic mill founders did not hold to the same standard. But the door was now open for all to enter and seize the opportunty for their own agendas.

I have read your opinions on Excelsior many times and for the majority of the posts we are in agreement about that program for entry level RNs.

They, too, have similar entry requirements in the sciences.

Not trying to be overly argumentative Rid, but I am from the quick fix, medic mill and fire EMS state. So, please bear with my skepticism.

BTW, remember the contribution Bobby Sherman made after his music and acting career. Okay, maybe just Rid and Airwaygoddess will remember. :)
 
Vent is right. That was the scenario that I was using for the online classes. Some very bad ones in S FL.

Vent,

Just to let you know, There is no Medic mills or Fire service schools north of Gainesville. The folks up north are holding on, some how!:rolleyes:
 
Shame. I think that EMT-Intermediate should be seriously considered as a pre-req to EMT-Paramedic as the different between Basic and Paramedic are huge, while successful passing of Intermediate may demonstrate mastery of certain skills (IV, EKG, ETT in some areas, etc).


sucessful passing of the intermediate course/exam demonstrate *proficiency* in ils skills, not mastery.

edit: this thread is right up your alley: http://www.emtlife.com/showthread.php?t=8920
 
sucessful passing of the intermediate course/exam demonstrate *proficiency* in ils skills, not mastery.

Not sure I agree with that. I think I can start a peripheral IV as good as any medic. I've gotten successful sticks when the medics haven't. I am talking more about the in-depth knowledge and advanced procedures that medic trains and allows for.
 
What does him having a pool and 2 kids have anything to do with your initial question?

I can see his point. If the ARC first aid classes weren't readily available in some areas, I used to recommend that my friends who were new parents take the EMT class at the local state tech. Besides all the swimming pools, canals and other things kids can get into, it gave them some reassurance that they might be able to do something until help arrived. If they got their cert and kept up the refreshers, they could even pick up some extra money.
 
Not sure I agree with that. I think I can start a peripheral IV as good as any medic. I've gotten successful sticks when the medics haven't. I am talking more about the in-depth knowledge and advanced procedures that medic trains and allows for.

you missed the point. passing any course, basic, medic intermediate, doesnt demonstrate mastery. mastery is demonstrated after certification and experience.

think of a plumber. how long does it take to become a master plumber? years and years, after you have enough skill and experience to earn that title.

im not intermediate bashing. im merely saying that no course in any field of study demonstrates mastery of anything upon completion. just proficiency.
 
you missed the point. passing any course, basic, medic intermediate, doesnt demonstrate mastery. mastery is demonstrated after certification and experience.

think of a plumber. how long does it take to become a master plumber? years and years, after you have enough skill and experience to earn that title.

im not intermediate bashing. im merely saying that no course in any field of study demonstrates mastery of anything upon completion. just proficiency.

Right and for this reason I think that Intermediate +6 months of experience ought to be a pre-req for medic school.
 
Right and for this reason I think that Intermediate +6 months of experience ought to be a pre-req for medic school.

oh fair enough. im not arguing that. im just arguing you saying that your i course demonstrates you to be a master in intermediate skills.

while you may very well be a master at starting lines, you werent when you graduated.

it may be trite and petty, but im bored and all i have going on is being trite and petty
 
Don't forget...

"BTW, remember the contribution Bobby Sherman made after his music and acting career. Okay, maybe just Rid and Airwaygoddess will remember. "

What about the one and only David Lee Roth...?

2 celebrity EMT's, who'da thunk it?

As for the original poster, I don't really think he was trying to impress anyone with his friend's notoriety/celebrity, sounded like he was explaining that the friend didn't want the attention that would be paid to him/her if they attended a normal EMT class.

Given that the OP is from SoCal, as am I, I can certainly believe that he/she has a celebrity friend, we grow them out here on abandoned sound stages...

John E
 
Vent,

Just to let you know, There is no Medic mills or Fire service schools north of Gainesville. The folks up north are holding on, some how!:rolleyes:

I thought our favorite medic mill had a school in Jacksonville?

If not, I sure "there's one coming soon to a location near you!" :o
 
They do have a school in JAX and some recent graduates who I mentored through the entire process via online coaching regret having ever gone there. They said "I should have listened to you when I first signed up."

Yes, the whole state is tainted.
 
I missed that one! Last I knew, the farthest north they went was St. Augustine.

OK, We won't count JAX in the north!!

When I was still down there, not Jax, I used to get students from that school. They would drive up for a weekend of clinicals. After the fifth one, that had no clue what they were doing, I sent them packing. Called F**I and told them to keep the crap down there. I wish the state would shut them down, they are a disgrace!
 
EMS is very much a people business. The practice is a team effort and needs to be learned, practiced and drilled in groups. It sounds to me like someone is worried about their kids getting hurt in a pool and wanting to purchase knowledge of a level above basic first aid.

Personally I'd recommend getting a lifeguard certification, but that would also require participation in a group class. What your friend would learn in a full EMT class, regardless of venue is not going to help him/her without the addition of a fully stocked ambulance to work out of. Without the rig, we can only do basic first aid.

The intentions are probably sincere, but based in a lack of understanding of what an EMT does and what EMS is.
 
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