Pick 5 meds...

I think you have, in a very smart way...

One of the first things I would do is research what common illnesses in the area are. Based on that and common problems for all locations would play a significant role in my choice.

I thought it was an interesting challenge. Obviously only 5 medications are not going to suffice for any reasonable level of care, but if you really had to pick it is a tough decision isn't it.

Onle thing I have noticed though, epi seems to be a very popular choice in the emergency population. It is usually in the first 3, and even my friend picked it first.

When I told him why it would not be one of my choices and why, he decided he would also give up on it.

I'll let you guys play a little longer before I give up my answers.

Don't you think that Epi in anaphylaxis is one of the true life saving measures we have? I was pitching my list based on my local area. I personally see 5-10 life threatening anaphylactic reactions each year, and it seems there are more and more.

In austere medical conditions, I'm not sure how much CPR and working resuscitation we would be doing.
 
"Benadryl

and

Phenergan"


You realize these are both first generation h1 blockers and to bring both is redundant?

Running from the past is futile...shame on me.
 
For working in my areas, from past experience:
1-O2
2-Normal Saline
3-Zofran
4-Albuterol
5-D50
 
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Normal Saline (If I have to include this as a med)

Albuterol inhaler

Acetaminophen (might consider switching out for ASA depending on the patient population)

Phenergan

Morphine

Pretty much the same. Except I would take Ketamine over Morphine
 
If you do not have anything to follow it up with, Epi is wasted. Ditto regular only insulin.

Maybe the preliminary question is what classes of conditions are you willing to address? Diabetes? Malaria? Hypertension? Typhoid? Tetanus? STD's? Prenatal conditions?
 
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If you do not have anything to follow it up with, Epi is wasted. Ditto regular only insulin.

I disagree. I can't wait to hear the rest of this conversation, though. We've defnitely just got enough rope to hang us here.
 
I disagree. I can't wait to hear the rest of this conversation, though. We've defnitely just got enough rope to hang us here.

Half-life of Epi versus length of time an epi-addressed condition lasts? Unless you follow it with an antihistamine, it is not good for anaphylaxis (and you need an IV). SImilar for asthma. Startling a heart back into a shockable rhythm? Then you need other drugs AND an IV. If you are woking in a Del Webb retirement community, maybe then you concentrate your five drugs on heart attack?
 
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So, when I think an austere environment, I am not just thinking 3 miles from the trailhead in Nevada. I am thinking anywhere on Earth (so who needs epi?) Here’s my 5:

Ciprofloxacin: If I can only pick one abx, I am picking a nuclear option like a flouroquinolone. Cipro seems like a good pick to me against most gram positive and negative pathogens particularly for UTI and GI bugs. Sure it is rough, but I need a multitool and this is a good one… unless I’ll be treating infants, peds, pregnant ladies… then I’d better choose something else.

Loperimide: Not that I particularly like immodium as a drug, particularly because you can have some bad adverse and rebound effects... but, I can make up some ORT solution pretty easily, and immodium might help keep the patient alive until we can start ORT or evac of patients suffering from G/I maladies that I can’t take out with the Cipro. The cipro would work well for vibrio or shig (where loperamide won’t work well anyway) but a rotavirus or other viral diarrhea is an issue the loperamide can help with. An alternative GI med would be Bismuth subsalicylate… really a great choice because it will help with N/V/indigestion too which keeps people going.

Ibuprofen: I probably want an antipyretic and anti-inflammatory more than I want a narcotic. It buys a lot more types of maladies to treat and buys a lot mor time than a narc to allow for self-transport to definitive care since we need patient participation in a truly austere environment and a narced out tibial plateu fracture is not going to walk any faster, but someone with a fever might be able to stumble along with enough antipyretic. These will also keep some injuries in the game instead of stopping an expedition. Narcs also make me a target. I’d be really hard pressed to select morphine or Oxy/APAP over ibuprofen.

Diphenhydramine: Allergies and anaphylaxis! 1st generation antihistamine crosses the blood brain barrier so it is marginally effective as a sleep aid and for motion sickness. It’s like a multitool! Need I say more?

#5: Artemisin… or… Good antimalarial with limited resistance that is also quite useful as an antiparasitic against helminthes, trematodes, and notably maybe effective against Trypanosoma cruzi. Malaria is amazingly widespread and I don’t want it (nor trypanosoma)! In the #5 slot there are so many things I could choose… I could choose a combivent, but I expect people with emphysema, asthma, etc to have their own supply when traveling in austere regions. The same would go for something like glucagon or insulin... lifesavers for common stuff, but I expect people to have their own. #5 could be an antifungal, another antibiotic, a narcotic, an altitude med, or an antimalarial. My key reason for asking on the region is that in the tropical areas an antifungal and often antimalarials becomes more important vs say having an altitude illness med for operating above 3500m with acclimated persons and above 4500m with acclimated persons. But areas above 4000m realistically make up a small portion of the austere areas of the world, although if speaking to expeditions, they are a preferred destination. If I was in the Darien Gap, perhaps I want some HemCon bandages and a liter of DEET ;)

Obviously, I ‘m going to improvise a lot of care (improvised ORT) and try to prevent most other major issues through proper water treatment, bug netting and repellent, clean socks, ascending slowly, proper nutrition, and being generally careful.
 
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Half-life of Epi versus length of time an epi-addressed condition lasts? Unless you follow it with an antihistamine, it is not good for anaphylaxis (and you need an IV). SImilar for asthma. Startling a heart back into a shockable rhythm? Then you need other drugs AND an IV. If you are woking in a Del Webb retirement community, maybe then you concentrate your five drugs on heart attack?

See? I stocked an antihistamine. It's ok. I assumed IV fluids, because I'm just like that. :)
 
So, when I think an austere environment, I am not just thinking 3 miles from the trailhead in Nevada. I am thinking anywhere on Earth (so who needs epi?)

I'm liking this list -- especially the focus on optionality.

(I didn't even think of an antimalarial or antihelminthic drug...I guess that shows where I travel).
 
If I was sent to such an environment (and some of my deployments were, sort of), I'd be one sure-nuff smuggler.

I see we are not going with any topicals (disinfectants, antibiotics, sunscreen, insect repellants, antipruritics, arthrocides for dermal parasites, etc).
 
I'm not considering disinfectants, DEET, or sunscreen to be part of the 5 limit, because then we are really down to two choices remaining.

Hey, lets make all OTC meds not count for the 5, then life gets much easier! ;)
 
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Hey, lets make all OTC meds not count for the 5, then life gets much easier! ;)

In which case I'd replace the vitamin-I, immodium and benadryl with zofram, fluconazole, and normal saline (or acetazolamide if going to altitude).
 
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In which case I'd replace the vitamin-I, immodium and benadryl with zofram, fluconazole, and normal saline (or acetazolamide if going to altitude).

I guess I'll clarify, NS if moving by vehicle or operating from a basecamp. Morphine instead of NS if on foot (because carrying enough NS to make difference in austere care, meaning long-term fluid replacement, is too heavy to carry).
 
If I had to pick 5

Like I said, it takes more medications than 5, but that was the challenge I was presented with.

1. IV Morphine 15mg/ml

In addition to pain control and the ability to use it in conjunction with midazolam for conscious sedation during inevitable surgical procedures, it has a side effect of constipation, can be used as a caugh suppresant, and can be used as a local anesthetic (but not nearly as efficent as bupivacaine which I am particularly fond of)

2.IV Midazolam 5mg/ml

Really the purpose of this is for the conscious sedation. Also can be used for anxiety obviously, and in desperation in the event of ingestion, inhibiting CYP450 as a competative agonist. May also come in useful for anxiety. Hopefully not needed as an antiseizure drug but in the even of desperation from head injury is also shown to be weakly neuroprotective.

3. IV Promethazine 50mg/2ml

As I said, it is an H1 blocker, works for allergy, nausea/vomiting, motion sickness, and as an adjunct to a sedation cocktail if you really have to get somebody comfortable while evacuating or waiting for help. Also a non addictive sleep aid and some relief of minor indigestion.

4. PO Azithromycin 500mg tabs

Long acting bacteriostatic antibiotic. Good for everything from atypical pneumonia to clamydia. Exceptionally effective for the inevitable wound care alone or in conjunction with another antibiotic.

5. PO Docycycline 100mg capsule

Rather than a specific malaria treatment, especially in areas with multiple malaria species, prevention is the best treatment. So, take your doxy prophylaxis, helps with acne, a variety of STDs, most skin infections and will work great in conjunction with azithromycin for the really hard to kill infections or when a more nuclear option is needed. Good against filarial nematodes. E. Coli from your gut for your female UTIs, most respiratory infections, lime disease, shigella, and Rocky mountain spotted fever. (plus this is dirt cheap)
 
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Don't you think that Epi in anaphylaxis is one of the true life saving measures we have? I was pitching my list based on my local area. I personally see 5-10 life threatening anaphylactic reactions each year, and it seems there are more and more.

compared to the overall healthcare need, 5-10 a year is going to be basically nothing. You can also have a very good response from the promethazine IV. Additionally hopefully you can intercede before life threatening anaphylaxis, and if not well.

In austere medical conditions, I'm not sure how much CPR and working resuscitation we would be doing.

This is utterly worthless.
 
Like I said, it takes more medications than 5, but that was the challenge I was presented with.

1. IV Morphine 15mg/ml

In addition to pain control and the ability to use it in conjunction with midazolam for conscious sedation during inevitable surgical procedures, it has a side effect of constipation, can be used as a caugh suppresant, and can be used as a local anesthetic (but not nearly as efficent as bupivacaine which I am particularly fond of)

2.IV Midazolam 5mg/ml

Really the purpose of this is for the conscious sedation. Also can be used for anxiety obviously, and in desperation in the event of ingestion, inhibiting CYP450 as a competative agonist. May also come in useful for anxiety. Hopefully not needed as an antiseizure drug but in the even of desperation from head injury is also shown to be weakly neuroprotective.

3. IV Promethazine 50mg/2ml

As I said, it is an H1 blocker, works for allergy, nausea/vomiting, motion sickness, and as an adjunct to a sedation cocktail if you really have to get somebody comfortable while evacuating or waiting for help. Also a non addictive sleep aid and some relief of minor indigestion.

4. PO Azithromycin 500mg tabs

Long acting bacteriostatic antibiotic. Good for everything from atypical pneumonia to clamydia. Exceptionally effective for the inevitable wound care alone or in conjunction with another antibiotic.

5. PO Docycycline 100mg capsule

Rather than a specific malaria treatment, especially in areas with multiple malaria species, prevention is the best treatment. So, take your doxy prophylaxis, helps with acne, a variety of STDs, most skin infections and will work great in conjunction with azithromycin for the really hard to kill infections or when a more nuclear option is needed. Good against filarial nematodes. E. Coli from your gut for your female UTIs, most respiratory infections, lime disease, shigella, and Rocky mountain spotted fever. (plus this is dirt cheap)

So, you weren't including OTC?

"Inevitable surgical procedures" was not one of the treatment paths I was considering in my drug list because... I'm not a surgeon and the patient would be better off with veterinarian cutting on them than me... or heck... they might be better off with a butcher. ;)

And, in that case, promethazine vs diphenhydramine?
 
When traveling to an away series, space is at a premium so we bring a fairly limited supply of medications (I'm assuming I can leave out OTCs?). If they can keep athletes in the game, they could maybe keep everyone else healthy too. Maybe.

So in our little black bag secreted in a bigger black bag:

Vicodin
Albuterol Inhaler
Phenergan Injection
Z-Packs (Azithromycin)

We carry additional antibiotics (Ceflex, Vigamox, and Ceftin) and Toradol injections but in the interest of the exercise I would choose NS for the fifth drug.
 
So, you weren't including OTC?

"Inevitable surgical procedures" was not one of the treatment paths I was considering in my drug list because... I'm not a surgeon and the patient would be better off with veterinarian cutting on them than me... or heck... they might be better off with a butcher. ;)

There seems to be a lot of wound care. Technically things like I&D, suturing, wound cleaning, etc, are consideredsurgical procedures. So are dislocation reductions.

It's all stuff that is not that difficult, but can cause a lot of pain.


And, in that case, promethazine vs diphenhydramine?

I think in the haste to adopt newer medications with "lesser" side effect profiles, we discount a lot of beneficial side effects, which sometimes is of more utility than the actual indication.

A good example is nyquil. You take it and in addition to symptom relief you sleep well. Which makes you feel better even though it doesn't do anything for the underlying infection.

Promethazine does have stronger sedation, but it also reduces N/V and vertigo. So inevitably when you get patients with motion sickness or labrynthitis you can d something for them.
 
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