You entered this thread to quote an experienced ER nurse sharing their experiences working and sharing a story of some of the things they had accomplished before the doc could get to a critical patient.Again, where did I say that "nurses shouldn't do anything before the doc sees the patient"?
I have been very clear and very particular with the claims I have made in this thread. Your "oversimplification" is wrong. I never commented on anything beyond what should happen with a critically unstable patient in an ER.
I never compared nurses' ability to think independently vs. paramedics', because they are not directly comparable in my opinion. They work in very different environments.
You said it was a hill you would die on because that was completely inappropriate.
If you're now insisting that this isn't what you meant, then fine. I'm done bickering over this with you..