I said it over the life of the thread, the 02 is for the first aid kit to help others if needed.
my research indicates that o2 is Rx except if used in emergencies at 6 lpm+ and it can last a certain amount of minutes. and I have linked a reference and also a retailer that sells such o2 with no prescription.
true that nothing lasts forever, but masks tubes and etc lasts a heck of a long time, and my stuff don't even have any EXP date printed on them.
Paperwork cant be so bad, keep receipts in a file ?
storage... just put it in the 02 bag and leave it with the rest of the first aid kit. ( inside closet )
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So I cant find any regulations regarding having to empty a 02 tank when the 5 years is up, I can only find information saying that tests must be done every 5 years, and if your tank is not tested - it cannot be refilled until it is tested.
When you say "we have to empty a cylinder when test date comes up" could that just be an In-House thing your logistics department decided to do?
"Compressed oxygen is a hazardous material. (49 CFR Section
172.101, Table). Each cylinder used for the transportation of compressed
oxygen must meet DOT specifications and bear DOT specification markings and
be "qualified." No one may use an unqualified cylinder in transportation.
Such cylinders must be "requalified" at certain times and under
certain conditions. Requalification must be done by a person holding DOT
approval. (Section 180.205). Cylinders which are not qualified or
requalified may not be refilled."
the NYS EMS have an oxygen policy here: http://www.health.ny.gov/professionals/ems/pdf/98-06.pdf
here is the part I think is worth quoting
"Any cylinder placed in service by an EMS service, whether or not it is currently on a vehicle, must be within test requirements as evidenced by a valid hydrostatic test date imprinted on the cylinder."
I read that as any tank used must have been tested and have a test date on the tank. I think a tank that is built to last indefinitely is considered within test requirements if there is still pressure inside it, and it is in good condition.
I think that if a tank that has a test date past 5 years, it is still good to be used, but just needs testing before refilling. BECAUSE the dangerous part is increasing the pressure inside the tank, ( filling ) If the tank already has 2000 psi in it, and it has been sitting there for months upon months just fine, decreasing the pressure inside it wont harm the tank, ie using it, or purposeful emptying. I think that having 2000 psi in a tank is like a test all in itself...
but anyway as a layperson at home, I am not a EMS Service therefore my first aid bottle at home would not be under control of the NYS EMS, therefore it would just fall under DOT guidelines of "it cannot be refilled unless it is tested.."
This is of course just what I, one person, was able to research and this is the views of one person. I could be wrong, as we are all just human,
If anyone have evidence supporting or countering my research I would love to hear it.
my research indicates that o2 is Rx except if used in emergencies at 6 lpm+ and it can last a certain amount of minutes. and I have linked a reference and also a retailer that sells such o2 with no prescription.
true that nothing lasts forever, but masks tubes and etc lasts a heck of a long time, and my stuff don't even have any EXP date printed on them.
Paperwork cant be so bad, keep receipts in a file ?
storage... just put it in the 02 bag and leave it with the rest of the first aid kit. ( inside closet )
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So I cant find any regulations regarding having to empty a 02 tank when the 5 years is up, I can only find information saying that tests must be done every 5 years, and if your tank is not tested - it cannot be refilled until it is tested.
When you say "we have to empty a cylinder when test date comes up" could that just be an In-House thing your logistics department decided to do?
"Compressed oxygen is a hazardous material. (49 CFR Section
172.101, Table). Each cylinder used for the transportation of compressed
oxygen must meet DOT specifications and bear DOT specification markings and
be "qualified." No one may use an unqualified cylinder in transportation.
Such cylinders must be "requalified" at certain times and under
certain conditions. Requalification must be done by a person holding DOT
approval. (Section 180.205). Cylinders which are not qualified or
requalified may not be refilled."
the NYS EMS have an oxygen policy here: http://www.health.ny.gov/professionals/ems/pdf/98-06.pdf
here is the part I think is worth quoting
"Any cylinder placed in service by an EMS service, whether or not it is currently on a vehicle, must be within test requirements as evidenced by a valid hydrostatic test date imprinted on the cylinder."
I read that as any tank used must have been tested and have a test date on the tank. I think a tank that is built to last indefinitely is considered within test requirements if there is still pressure inside it, and it is in good condition.
I think that if a tank that has a test date past 5 years, it is still good to be used, but just needs testing before refilling. BECAUSE the dangerous part is increasing the pressure inside the tank, ( filling ) If the tank already has 2000 psi in it, and it has been sitting there for months upon months just fine, decreasing the pressure inside it wont harm the tank, ie using it, or purposeful emptying. I think that having 2000 psi in a tank is like a test all in itself...
but anyway as a layperson at home, I am not a EMS Service therefore my first aid bottle at home would not be under control of the NYS EMS, therefore it would just fall under DOT guidelines of "it cannot be refilled unless it is tested.."
This is of course just what I, one person, was able to research and this is the views of one person. I could be wrong, as we are all just human,
If anyone have evidence supporting or countering my research I would love to hear it.
