Naloxone Admin By EMT's

RobertAlfanoNJEMT said:
I'm responsible for helping myself and keeping myself safe before my patient.. I'm just considering that delivering this drug can make the scene unsafe and if it's unsafe then no one is being helped! You can't resrain your patient either.. That's how you get charged for battery.. I never said I wouldn't use it I just said I would be considering what could happen if I did use it
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HAHAH you are gonna be one heck of a provider.

Now that's out of my system. First of all, narcan isn't to wake someone up so you can get their info. It's a intervention to stop the OPIOID (not any drug) process and get respiratory drive back (what's a common thing in opioid use?). Second of all, you are taught how to restrain someone in class. Hence its not battery. I would laugh in my way to a court room if that's what I was going for.

So next question. Will you never give any type of med? They all can have adverse effects. Mine as well not give them just incase...

Take that school mentality of "scene safety/BSI or die" crap and throw it out the window. Learn how to use your brain.
 
Says he's a student, so don't be too hard on him...unless he's employed in a 911 system.
 
Maybe another reason we need to provide more education to BLS than, "squirt it up their nose then look out".
 
teedubbyaw said:
Says he's a student, so don't be too hard on him...unless he's employed in a 911 system.
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He's not asking questions. He's making statements, so he has already been taught the subjects. Either he didn't pay attention, he can't comprehend, instructor is bad or he doesn't take the extra step to learn more. Either way, no Bueno.
 
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Chewy20 said:
He's not asking questions. He's making statements, so he has already been taught the subjects. Either he didn't pay attention, he can't comprehend, instructor is bad or he doesn't take the extra step to learn more. Either way, no Bueno.
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I've already graduated the academy and am just waiting on my test score for the nj state test..
 
teedubbyaw said:
Que?

Textbooks don't teach anyone much in this field. Learning is done in the field.
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Hes already saying he wont take care of a pt for fear of being hit...Why should he be in the streets with that mentality?

To each his own, good luck in your endeavors OP.
 
Even working with people that aren't very smart and give outrageously high first doses of Narcan, I still have yet to encounter a situation that some words and maybe a strong hand on the shoulder could not deal with post-administration. I'm sure there will be a time where I eat these words, but for the most part being hypoxic is kind of tiring I would imagine.
 
RobertAlfanoNJEMT said:
Actually the next step is to be in the streets.. There is no more learning.. It's time to gain experience by actually caring for patients
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Right, but to do that, you actually have to CARE for patients. Like, take care of them.
 
RobertAlfanoNJEMT said:
Actually the next step is to be in the streets.. There is no more learning.. It's time to gain experience by actually caring for patients
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If that's your opinion uou need to be a firefighter and stay out of my profession. There is always something to learn. Especially with the piss poor initial education that BLS providers get. The street is where you get to put into action what you learned in the classroom. Not where you learn everything needed for this job.
 
TransportJockey said:
If that's your opinion uou need to be a firefighter and stay out of my profession. There is always something to learn. Especially with the piss poor initial education that BLS providers get. The street is where you get to put into action what you learned in the classroom. Not where you learn everything needed for this job.
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He wouldn't go far in the fire service with that type of mentality believe me.
 
CALEMT said:
He wouldn't go far in the fire service with that type of mentality believe me.
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He's in Jersey. Seems like Fire and EMS there are all years of tradition unimpeded by progress.
 
Remi said:
My opinion is drifting towards more liberal use of SGA's by BLS in lieu of BVM management.
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I do not understand why there is not more emphasis on on BLS placing an airway instead of mask ventilation. With little exception, if the patient can tolerate an OPA, they can tolerate a King or whatnot, and that should be placed. I guess I don't see the downsided of placing an airway in an obtunded patient, aside from those who can have whatever is causing there airway compromise reversed quickly (ie opioids).

Our first responders are actually getting worse with mask ventilation (as am I), as we no longer ventilate cardiac arrest patients until an SGA or ET is in place, if that even happens. For many of our first responders, the only time they use mask ventilate patients is on cardiac arrests, so I expect that they will be even more apprehensive than they already are when it comes to providing ventilation to a patient who is not apneic but still needs to be ventilated.
 
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