KED vs. Spineboard
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DesertMedic66
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You still have to place the patient on a LSB even with a KED on. So it doesn't really make immobilization any quicker.
It does seem to me that the only reason the KED is a "slow" process is because people aren't familiar with it.
It does seem to me that the only reason the KED is a "slow" process is because people aren't familiar with it.
Why do you need the LSB with a KED? Just as an extrication tool?
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KED and Spineboard, are both retarded procedures/treatments.
Notice there is not a single KED or spineboard in a hospital... They use collars thats it.
9/10 MVAs are total BS. People complain of nonsense pain, which they may have, but its not a spinal injury.
The first thing anyone does when they get in an MVA and aren't actually injured substantially, is get out and see how bad their car was damaged. That said, they have already spent a few minutes ambulating prior to your arrival and sat back in the car to wait for you.
If someone TRULY has pain, they aren't going to try and exacerbate it by moving their body. They will do a damn good job of sitting the hell still on their own if they have real pain.
Also, many times we apply the devices improperly, and often they do damage to the patients with real injuries. A flat board is not a sufficient splint for a curved spine unless you really take the time to pad the proper areas. We also suck at putting collars on properly.
Notice there is not a single KED or spineboard in a hospital... They use collars thats it.
9/10 MVAs are total BS. People complain of nonsense pain, which they may have, but its not a spinal injury.
The first thing anyone does when they get in an MVA and aren't actually injured substantially, is get out and see how bad their car was damaged. That said, they have already spent a few minutes ambulating prior to your arrival and sat back in the car to wait for you.
If someone TRULY has pain, they aren't going to try and exacerbate it by moving their body. They will do a damn good job of sitting the hell still on their own if they have real pain.
Also, many times we apply the devices improperly, and often they do damage to the patients with real injuries. A flat board is not a sufficient splint for a curved spine unless you really take the time to pad the proper areas. We also suck at putting collars on properly.
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Why? I know you teach skills; are you basing that just off the skill sheets?
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I am pretty sure a KED is also considered to be a full immobilization device independent of a LSD in some areas. There is no spine in your legs...
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My point exactly.
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The KED is only designed for short transfer movements, such as extrication, once on it would not be prudent to remove prior to the LSB.
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Says who?
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But why put them on the lsb at all. Leave the board out of the equation.
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Per national NREMT skills test for immobilization of a seated patient they have to be moved onto a LSB.
Exactly. The KED is made to be hooked onto a crane / tow truck to lift (race car) drivers out of mangled cars straight up.
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NREMT also says everybody needs high flow o2.
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That would not be according to the manufacturer recommendations, and the leg bone is connected to the hip bone, blah rest of song.
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Just went through the manufacturer's manual. Never once did it say that the ked HAD to be used on a lsb.
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Is there any research that shows the lsb as beneficial to spine injuries?