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Hi all,

I have a serious question. Does anybody have a problem with somebody with no medical training being on this forum? I am referring, of course, to myself. From some of the posts directed my way in a previous thread (I am not naming names or the thread), it seems like people have something against my posting here.

Please realize that I am not saying that I do have medical training and I never would. I have never worked in EMS, and the only knowledge I have of it is from self-study and spending time at my local FD (which provides BLS/ALS for my town).

I want to educate myself (hence, one of the reasons why I am here), but I am wondering if this is really the correct forum for this. If you would not like me to post here anymore, until I take the EMT-B course at my college, please let me know. I will take into consideration all of the responses, and then make a decision.

Thanks,
Eric
 
I think people have more problem with someone with little to no education or experience telling those with some experience and education how it ought to be.
 
What that poster was trying to tell you is it is ok to ask questions but until you experience what we do your opinion has no value. It is of no value because you can only base it on things you read, see, here, but not what you live and do. Your statements in that topic sounded as if you were telling those with experience what is best for us.
 
I think people have more problem with someone with little to no education or experience telling those with some experience and education how it ought to be.

You mean like elected officials.
 
I don't think the problem is your presence, but what topics you are posting about.

I'll give an example. Let's say I wanted to become a fire fighter, so I went over to firehouse.com. If I was posting asking about locations, academy, job advancement, etc then that would be fine. If I was asking, "Hey, I've never heard of X" or "What's Y," then that would be something else.

On the other hand, it would be wrong to offer my opinion on operational aspects or educational aspects, or internal political aspects, or culural aspects of fire fighting since I have no training or experience fighting fires. Similarly, there's a difference between asking on a police board why X gun is/isn't used and me offering my opinion on X gun.
 
What that poster was trying to tell you is it is ok to ask questions but until you experience what we do your opinion has no value. It is of no value because you can only base it on things you read, see, here, but not what you live and do. Your statements in that topic sounded as if you were telling those with experience what is best for us.

Did I really sound as if I was telling others what was best for them? If I did I am truly sorry. I NEVER meant to say that things should be done my way, just because I said so, or that I know what is best for everybody. I did not mean for this to be the case. I was just throwing in my $.02. And yes, I realize that I do not have the experience. I was just trying to demonstrate that I am trying my best to learn by stating the information about reading, etc.

I think people have more problem with someone with little to no education or experience telling those with some experience and education how it ought to be.

See the first part of the above response.

I don't think the problem is your presence, but what topics you are posting about.

I'll give an example. Let's say I wanted to become a fire fighter, so I went over to firehouse.com. If I was posting asking about locations, academy, job advancement, etc then that would be fine. If I was asking, "Hey, I've never heard of X" or "What's Y," then that would be something else.

On the other hand, it would be wrong to offer my opinion on operational aspects or educational aspects, or internal political aspects, or culural aspects of fire fighting since I have no training or experience fighting fires. Similarly, there's a difference between asking on a police board why X gun is/isn't used and me offering my opinion on X gun.

Okay, I see what you mean. This goes back to the beginning of this response. I did not mean to try to change the way EMS operates. I was just stating my opinion. I realize that this could be seen as the same thing, but that is not what I meant to happen. I had thought it was an open discussion, and so I jumped in. I will be more careful in the future.

Eric
 
Why will you only take EMT to post on this forum? Your sig says "future Boston EMS" so why don't you start moving in that direction anyhow?


Just an observation.
 
Why will you only take EMT to post on this forum? Your sig says "future Boston EMS" so why don't you start moving in that direction anyhow?


Just an observation.

Good question.

I will be attending college in the fall, and that is when I am going to be taking the EMT class. After that, I will be working as an EMT for the college. College and the EMT class are the ways I am going to be moving towards Boston in the future. Right now, I am just working on volunteering and working, as taking the EMT class at the moment is not a option. I want to have a college education. Otherwise, I would go straight for Boston.

The reason I would wait until after becoming an EMT would be so that I could have the medical training to post information on here. Please note, I realize that it would not make me an expert by any means. But it would be a start.

Does this answer your question?

Eric
 
The problem (as I am probably the culprit) is opinions are fine, because alike a part of the anatomy, everyone has one. The point though is on forums is to make an intelligent and educated deduction.

Asking questions is great, if you have attempted to find it out for yourself, and then to voice an idea or opinion such as posted that you have read, or do I have this correct?

The problem I have many seen is that many EMT's take a simplistic 150 hour or so course, then afterwards assume they know the whole EMS System and how to correct it. When in truth, they barely have the education/training to just start. It would be similar for a CNA to post on "Just Nurses" forum and inform a DNSc or RN's with a MBA on how nursing should be operated and ran. How serious would you expect them to take the response?

I by far never discourage participation, rather though ask that it be of pertinent questions or ask if this or that has been done. Chances are over the past 40+ years, it has or will soon be. Just ask a Senior Medic, they will probably know. Forums are to be educational and be able to discuss the profession with sound knowledge, not just ideas or thoughts.

The reason the majority of those that do make EMS decision(s) never participate in EMS forums is due to the lack of well sounded suggestions. As well, those that will criticize or make suggestions about the profession sounding like they are an authority, yet has not taken an EMT course, even finished Paramedic school and most lack advanced degrees and decades of experience. Again, those with the power and positions do not usually participate.

For example, the topic on Public Safety. It is a hot issue not because of what has been posted but Federal Funding and benefits. Labeling has dire consequences far much more than a monkey suit someone wears. Reimburse rates, professional curricula, etc. is all based upon the labeling of the profession. Even when given professional citations and links, one still refuses to accept all because "they feel" and not able to recognize the attempts was placed for them to become educated about their profession. Ignorance is not always blessed.

Something a few of us have always promoted..... "think outside the box". That being, that EMS is much more than ambulances, fire trucks, or even medical care. It is an industry, a profession who main focus is to provide emergency medical care. But it is a business; no matter volunteer or paid, this business should be a profession with all the responsibilities associated with it.

R/r 911
 
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That being, that EMS is much more than ambulances, fire trucks, or even medical care.

Yeah. There's also fast food, long hours, sleepless nights, a sick sense of humor when hanging out with coworkers, and a potentially bad back from lifting fatties!

/just doing my part to lighten up the mood
 
The problem (as I am probably the culprit) is opinions are fine, because alike a part of the anatomy, everyone has one. The point though is on forums is to make an intelligent and educated deduction.

Not saying you were, not saying you weren't. I am not going to name names. That being said, I understand your point about deductions. It is something I have to work on. I am still young, so I have plenty of time to learn to back up my arguments.

Asking questions is great, if you have attempted to find it out for yourself, and then to voice an idea or opinion such as posted that you have read, or do I have this correct?

Yes, you are correct. Until I get more experience, I will try to stick to asking questions, not posting opinions (unless it is appropriate).

The problem I have many seen is that many EMT's take a simplistic 150 hour or so course, then afterwards assume they know the whole EMS System and how to correct it. When in truth, they barely have the education/training to just start. It would be similar for a CNA to post on "Just Nurses" forum and inform a DNSc or RN's with a MBA on how nursing should be operated and ran. How serious would you expect them to take the response?

I see your point. However, I don't think that I was trying to "correct the whole EMS system." Maybe I came across this way, but I didn't mean to. If you look on the "paramilitary" thread, you will see what I have written about this.

I by far never discourage participation, rather though ask that it be of pertinent questions or ask if this or that has been done. Chances are over the past 40+ years, it has or will soon be. Just ask a Senior Medic, they will probably know. Forums are to be educational and be able to discuss the profession with sound knowledge, not just ideas or thoughts.

Here is a place where we differ in opinions. Yes, forums are supposed to be educational. But I believe there are also times on forums where ideas and thoughts are acceptable, within reason of course. Brainstorming (if that is what you want to call it) can be very helpful or useful.

The reason the majority of those that do make EMS decision(s) never participate in EMS forums is due to the lack of well sounded suggestions. As well, those that will criticize or make suggestions about the profession sounding like they are an authority, yet has not taken an EMT course, even finished Paramedic school and most lack advanced degrees and decades of experience. Again, those with the power and positions do not usually participate.

I can see why this is a problem. It would probably be helpful if the next wave of "managers" (if that is what you want to call them) had higher education, from what you are saying.

I don't know if the statement about people sounding like an authority was directed towards me, but I just want to say again that I did not want to try to "fix" the system in the subject thread.

For example, the topic on Public Safety. It is a hot issue not because of what has been posted but Federal Funding and benefits. Labeling has dire consequences far much more than a monkey suit someone wears. Reimburse rates, professional curricula, etc. is all based upon the labeling of the profession. Even when given professional citations and links, one still refuses to accept all because "they feel" and not able to recognize the attempts was placed for them to become educated about their profession. Ignorance is not always blessed.

Something a few of us have always promoted..... "think outside the box". That being, that EMS is much more than ambulances, fire trucks, or even medical care. It is an industry, a profession who main focus is to provide emergency medical care. But it is a business; no matter volunteer or paid, this business should be a profession with all the responsibilities associated with it.

Not really much I can think of to say about this. I do, however, see where you are coming from.

As much as you tick me off sometimes, you always have great points. :glare:

Thanks for helping. I will try to be more careful in the future when posting here.

Eric
 
It's a public forum and no EMS education or training or background is required to join, so if you want to join and post, you certainly have the right to do that.

On this forum, as on just about every other internet forum, there are people who will pick apart posts just to find something to argue about, or who will read things into posts that aren't there, or who will go out of their way to be supportive and welcoming, etc. You just have to take all of that FWIW, which is worth more in some cases than in others. It's very difficult to read intent into anonymous postings with no tone of voice, facial expressions, etc. to help with interpretation. Little icons only go so far.

Good luck with your EMT class, and college in general, and your plans to join the Boston FD.
 
You can post whatever you want. Like I tell everyone here, if you post something, it will probably be picked apart and you will be given opinions you may not want to hear. So, if you do not want to have your posts picked apart, do not post here. Otherwise you are free to tell all of us how you want EMS to run, whether or not you are even an EMT student, as it is a public forum were anyone is welcome to post at the discretion of the community leaders. Like I said, be prepared to back up what you say or read some stinging rebuttals however.
 
It's a public forum and no EMS education or training or background is required to join, so if you want to join and post, you certainly have the right to do that.

On this forum, as on just about every other internet forum, there are people who will pick apart posts just to find something to argue about, or who will read things into posts that aren't there, or who will go out of their way to be supportive and welcoming, etc. You just have to take all of that FWIW, which is worth more in some cases than in others. It's very difficult to read intent into anonymous postings with no tone of voice, facial expressions, etc. to help with interpretation. Little icons only go so far.

Good luck with your EMT class, and college in general, and your plans to join the Boston FD.

Thanks. I get what you mean about some people, and I realize that yes, it is hard to sometimes figure out what the tone was.

Thanks also for the words of encouragement. However, I am going for Boston EMS, not Boston FD. Totally different organizations. I know what you meant, though :P
 
Oops! My bad! I didn't read closely enough. I will blame my naughty beagle for distracting me.

Good luck with Boston EMS! :)
 
Oops! My bad! I didn't read closely enough. I will blame my naughty beagle for distracting me.

Good luck with Boston EMS! :)

Hehe no problem. It wasn't really a major problem :P
 
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