Have YOU actually done these? Does anyone?

Have you done these, seen these, BELIEVE you know someone who did them successfully?


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I am an avid backpacker/backcountry enthusiast and will always keep the thump in my arsenal in case of a friend going into arrest out in the middle of nowhere. I have heard of it working and it is worth a try because in the wilderness, you aint gonna get no defibrillator to the scene within a few minutes let alone hours.
 
Eye wash... several times in various ways...
 
Actually many of these are used daily

We regularly use canvass and poles vs stair chair. It is easier/faster with load and go type calls.

We have the canvass on the cot for every call it must be "popped" open then sheet placed on the canvass. It also allows for fast easy decon of the cot. The poles slide into pockets along the side of the canvass should they be needed.

Mast...used then years ago but not recently even though they seem to making a come back

Thumping...oh man that was great just as fun as using the old lifepak 5 with the paddles (yeah I am dating myslef here)
 
Gotta ask about eyewash

Did you bsue proparacaine or some such first? I have only managed two full and proper twenty minute washes, the others had the pt bailing out (no pun intended) or came to a point where they would or could not hold eyes open.
I found cold water worked better because it caused numbing and it reduced swelling.
 
Doesn't 20 minutes kind of go through a lot of water?
 
Did you bsue proparacaine or some such first? I have only managed two full and proper twenty minute washes, the others had the pt bailing out (no pun intended) or came to a point where they would or could not hold eyes open.
I found cold water worked better because it caused numbing and it reduced swelling.

That's what Morgan lenses are for.

R/r 911
 
A lot of these procedures are somewhat not needed in the civilian sector but are EXTREMELY important in combat... I have done a emergency cric, chest tube, used tourniquets, quick clot, and treated an abdominal evisceration all on the same pig before, the pig survived for 12 hours until they euthanized it. does this count? the fact is, that yes! these procedures are very important, in certain cases! MAST pants are extremely useful and effective in combat but are to big and bulky to take with you on the front lines, but if they are used effectively, they can maintain and save someone's life... I know multiple corpsman who have done emergency cric's and most have seen their PTs survive. I have also been told stories of several corpsman doing buddy to buddy blood transfusions, I have a list of all of my marines blood types so if i have to i can do a buddy to buddy transfusion... there are certain cases for these procedures however, like a >6 hour evac time... which isnt really that uncommon in the northern provinces of afghanistan.
 
on the same pig before...does this count?

No..
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There should probably be differentiators between irrigating the eyes for 20min and doing an eye wash for 20 min.

The latter may not actually had water on the eye for 20 min.
 
known several medics to have used quick clot in the civilian world successfully.
 
Use a hemostat in the field to "stop a bleeder". Twice, on a bad bleeder that would not stop from a trach and on a bad femoral partial amputation, We carried sterile clamps in our surgical airway kit. On the latter clamp a physician was on the scene.

Have you witnessed the innominate artery blow? That is truly one of the more frightening things that can happen and yet I have only seen this 3x personally in 30 years. That is more than enough to make a believer out of me for supreme beings (Doctors and whatever higher power one worships). Yes, if hemostats can get to it by all means use them although they are very useful for establishing another airway by grabbing the opening especially on a fresh trach. Also hemostats would be handy if you botched the cric procedure which I have seen them used in the ED trying to stabilize the fields attempts.

As well, ED doctors and microsurgeons may use the hemostats for specific artery rather than a tourniquet for replantation evaluation. So, yes I have seen it used many times there. In the field, I have primarily done pressure points, direct pressure, compresses and tourniquets if absolutely necessary.

I have done done a cric a few times in 30 years. Since I have been on Flight, more meds and better airway alternatives provide more options. However, a couple of crics were needed from messed up airway attempts by ground EMS. In the ED we can use the fiberoptic scope to establish an airway due to damage from either the initial trauma or that of a botched ETI. But, that doesn't mean a trach won't be in their immediate future. We can also do a fairly quick perc trach at bedside in the ED.

Precardial thump: many times over the years, both in and out of the hospital, when appropriate on witnessed rhythms.

MAST: I think every patient was placed in these during the 80s.

2 poles and a blanket: We use canvas litters for hurricane evacuations.

Eyewash: If you want to do it properly, you do what it takes or until the hospital takes over where it may be continued there.

For other procedures that I know the "old timers" (Rid) were taught and probably did utilize in the field because there were not trauma centers and helicopters on every corner as there are today:

Chest tubes: I have done more of these on Neo/Peds specialty transports as an RRT than I have as a Paramedic although many Flight teams can insert them per their protocols and do include them for their competencies.

Pericardiocentesis: Maybe a total of 5 in 30 years. Still in the protocols for many Flight/Specialty teams as well as a few remote ALS trucks.

Central Lines including the subclavian: A "must know" back in the late 70s and early 80s. Thy are in the protocols for Flight/Specialty and still in some ground ALS protocols.

Intracardiac epi: once was thought to be a great route during codes.
 
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Quentin Tarentino thought so!

And Uma Thurman looked so SURPRISED!
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I have given the Precordial Thump on a witnessed arrest, 1 set of CPR and we had a pulse back, not sure if it was the 'Thump' or the CPR though..

Save...?

Pt survived to ER, was talking when we put him on the Hospital bed, and died shortly after...

no save. :(
 
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