Failed The NREMT Again

NomadicMedic

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...The prep sites can only help you if you know the material.


Nooo! The prep sites help you to learn the reasoning behind the correct answers. These reason many people fail is because they don't understand the "why". Most EMS education is woefully inadequate at helping paramedic candidates develop critical thinking skills. Test prep like JB does an excellent job of filling in the knowledge holes. If you fail the NREMT, a test prep service is highly recommended.
 
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jteeters

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Okay. Poor wording perhaps. What I meant by that was, they can only help you with a solid base knowledge. Can they help fill in the knowledge holes? Sure. But after a time, you start to memorize the questions. The JB Learning test prep can only change so much. Same with medic tests, papameducators and any other site. I was simply suggesting he read some from the text book. It's reliable, I think.
 

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Nooo! The prep sites help you to learn the reasoning behind the correct answers. These reason many people fail is because they don't understand the "why". Most EMS education is woefully inadequate at helping paramedic candidates develop critical thinking skills. Test prep like JB does an excellent job of filling in the knowledge holes. If you fail the NREMT, a test prep service is highly recommended.
I think in the instance of OP and the NREMT-basic this is accurate. Too many students are using it as a substitute for studying. The practice web sites are easier IMO than the actual NREMT. The only sure fire way to pass is to read the book and learn the material.
 

jteeters

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I think in the instance of OP and the NREMT-basic this is accurate. Too many students are using it as a substitute for studying. The practice web sites are easier IMO than the actual NREMT. The only sure fire way to pass is to read the book and learn the material.

You said it much better than I could.
 

MackTheKnife

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Second time taking it and I failed. Im honestly starting believe is just a scam to make as money as possible, prior to granting individuals their license, I was one of the top in my class and passed the class with flying colors. We used Fisdap and JBLearning, Im trying to become licensed in Florida, but I need to pass the NREMT in order to do so.

The first time I took the NREMT I didnt care as much for it, so I literally did not read any questions and guessed on it all and I got a drastically higher score than I did yesterday on my second attempt. I failed miserably yesterday and I studied JBLearning insanely. I passed every practice test on JBL, Im to the point I believe it's just Capitalist pigs doing what they do best. Put me on the field and I work wonders and already have impressed many crews at fire stations. It seems I magically cant pass the test though, so I think I need a new career option, as I am homeless and cant spend another $100 on this. That would be another $100 worth of food sacrificed. Its no wonder this economy is going downhill. $3000 for a class, just to pay another $100 to take a test, for a job that only pays $10 an hour, unless you're a firefighter as well, which is what I was going for. Ah well American Dream crushed again.
Scam? Capitalist Pigs? This is the whiniest, most sour grapes post I've seen. "I was top of my class", blah, blah, blah. YOU FAILED. The test didn't fail you. You denigrate the National Registry and those of us who have passed the tests. This test is the National standard, dude. What did you expect? A free pass? It's your fault, no one else's.

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Scam? Capitalist Pigs? This is the whiniest, most sour grapes post I've seen. "I was top of my class", blah, blah, blah. YOU FAILED. The test didn't fail you. You denigrate the National Registry and those of us who have passed the tests. This test is the National standard, dude. What did you expect? A free pass? It's your fault, no one else's.

BOOM!
 

MackTheKnife

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Second time taking it and I failed. Im honestly starting believe is just a scam to make as money as possible, prior to granting individuals their license, I was one of the top in my class and passed the class with flying colors. We used Fisdap and JBLearning, Im trying to become licensed in Florida, but I need to pass the NREMT in order to do so.

The first time I took the NREMT I didnt care as much for it, so I literally did not read any questions and guessed on it all and I got a drastically higher score than I did yesterday on my second attempt. I failed miserably yesterday and I studied JBLearning insanely. I passed every practice test on JBL, Im to the point I believe it's just Capitalist pigs doing what they do best. Put me on the field and I work wonders and already have impressed many crews at fire stations. It seems I magically cant pass the test though, so I think I need a new career option, as I am homeless and cant spend another $100 on this. That would be another $100 worth of food sacrificed. Its no wonder this economy is going downhill. $3000 for a class, just to pay another $100 to take a test, for a job that only pays $10 an hour, unless you're a firefighter as well, which is what I was going for. Ah well American Dream crushed again.
And BTW, when I tested for NREMT-P years ago, it wasn't computerized. You traveled a couple of hundred miles to a 3 day board. The test was written. There were numerous stations where you were graded. One station failed, you were finished. Start all over again perhaps months later. The failure rate was quite high. Yes, I passed. And after my PM lapsed due to military service, I went back and got my NREMT in 2006. I passed the first time and every 2 year recert since.

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OK, first of all take a chill pill and listen to my story. You are not the only one who has struggled immensely over the NREMT-P I am living proof. I was constantly under attack from problems with financing school and problems at home. In the midst of these problems I occurred another problem. 6 months after I completed the program and taking the NREMT-P written test twice and failing miserably; I found out that I had a hearing loss in both of my ears requiring me to wear 2 hearing aids. I realized that I had missed so much information in school because of my stubbornness to listen to others telling me I have a hearing deficit. My teacher willingly tutored me on what I may have missed while he was at work with his agency. Fortunately for me My tutoring sessions worked and I passed my Paramedic test recently around 80 questions. It took me all 6 opportunities to pass. THERE IS HOPE FOR YOU.......DO NOT GIVE UP! The only time you fail is when you give up trying and doing your best.
 

ODIE

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$3000 for a BASIC class? If you paid that much and can't pass one the first two tries you may consider seeking a refund.


EMT707,

Sir I respectfully disagree with you. Instead of criticizing this person you need to be encouraging them. It doesn't make a bit of difference on how many times you have to take the NREMT-P; The only thing that matters is that you pass. I really believe you owe this person an apology for those hurtful words. If you had said this same thing to me I would have taken this as disrespect. You have absolutely no idea what this person is going through other than what information they have given. We as medical professionals need to build each other up instead of destroying confidence and self worth.
 

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Actually, I wish there was a maximum limit for testing for EMT/Paramedic. This:
It doesn't make a bit of difference on how many times you have to take the NREMT-P; The only thing that matters is that you pass.
is ridiculous. If you can't pass after 3 attempts, this field likely isn't for you. And there's nothing wrong with that. You've figured out medicine wasn't your strength, so now you can go see if you're strong in something else. It irks me to think paramedics can treat my family after getting lucky taking a test, based on pure volume of tests taken. There's nothing wrong with not being good at something. Go be good at something else.
 

NomadicMedic

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EMT707,

Sir I respectfully disagree with you. Instead of criticizing this person you need to be encouraging them. It doesn't make a bit of difference on how many times you have to take the NREMT-P; The only thing that matters is that you pass. I really believe you owe this person an apology for those hurtful words. If you had said this same thing to me I would have taken this as disrespect. You have absolutely no idea what this person is going through other than what information they have given. We as medical professionals need to build each other up instead of destroying confidence and self worth.

Sorry. But this is ridiculous. If you try out for the baseball team six times in a row and don't make it, maybe you should play soccer.

Not everybody gets a jersey.
 

VentMonkey

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Sorry. But this is ridiculous. If you try out for the baseball team six times in a row and don't make it, maybe you should play soccer.

Not everybody gets a jersey.
Lol, this makes me think of the time I had to sit through and eye-gouging 45 minutes of BS awards given to kids in my daughters school only to wait for her to get an award she actually earned.

Everyone's a winner!! Weee:rolleyes:
 

MackTheKnife

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Actually, I wish there was a maximum limit for testing for EMT/Paramedic. This:

is ridiculous. If you can't pass after 3 attempts, this field likely isn't for you. And there's nothing wrong with that. You've figured out medicine wasn't your strength, so now you can go see if you're strong in something else. It irks me to think paramedics can treat my family after getting lucky taking a test, based on pure volume of tests taken. There's nothing wrong with not being good at something. Go be good at something else.
Absolutely agree. The same for nursing. People can take the NCLEX-RN in some states ad infinitum. EMT/Paramedic/Nurse should be 3 times max.

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ODIE

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Actually, I wish there was a maximum limit for testing for EMT/Paramedic. This:

is ridiculous. If you can't pass after 3 attempts, this field likely isn't for you. And there's nothing wrong with that. You've figured out medicine wasn't your strength, so now you can go see if you're strong in something else. It irks me to think paramedics can treat my family after getting lucky taking a test, based on pure volume of tests taken. There's nothing wrong with not being good at something. Go be good at something else.

I'm Sorry you feel this way
 

MackTheKnife

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Thank you for your kind words. Unfortunately the other people in this room do not like my post.
It's not a matter of liking your posts. It's a matter of disagreeing. Saying the number of times you take a test doesn't matter as long as you pass is ok is wrong. There's a thing called luck, and you can get lucky and pass the test. If you can't recall what you learned in school, how will you recall how to perform practical skills without causing patient harm? I'm with 3 and done.

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VentMonkey

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Thank you for your kind words. Unfortunately the other people in this room do not like my post.
Odie, while it may seem like you are now being bombarded with comments that are "just plain mean", understand this:

our work environment has such the dynamic that, at times, there is little room for error.

Like others on here have mentioned, "3 and done" seems fair enough and reasonable to me, heck there's a lot of places that are "1 and done", and that is just the standard; so is life.

If we set ourselves up for mediocrity where does that really leave us? I take issue with this and was a field trainer and preceptor for several years, so I can say this first hand. I've had way too many trainees, interns, and the like who breezed through class only to end up with me and realize what a "meany" I was. Why? Because I expected them to do their job to thee best of their ability, not the lackadaisical way they displayed based off off attitudes alone. No secrets, no tricks to passing, just good ol' fashioned hard work, like my ol' man instilled in me. He was also big on no self-pity because it gets you nowhere; turns out he was right

I did indeed enjoy your quote, however, perhaps the op failed trying some time ago, as they seem to have all but vanished, and haven't responded in some time. I learned a long time ago that you cannot help those who cannot, or will not, help themselves. I am also a huge opponent of the "everybody's a winner in my eyes" mantra (not saying this is what you meant, btw). It only further serves to enable an already crippled, and self-entitled society, and THAT is my main point, and take away from the other peoples posts on here.

It isn't about defending those who cannot defend themselves, it's about the hard working guy, or gal, who actually put true hard work and effort in getting their just due. It is about the individual who truly wanted so bad to accomplish a feat that they put everything they had into, deserved it, and whaddya know? Accomplished it.

An attack? Hardly. Just some people stating facts is all. But hey? Again, everyone is entitled to their points of view, I'm just trying to point of what others already have, perhaps in a way that makes a tad more sense than attacking a "poor defenseless soul" who hasn't defended themselves.

Have a nice day:).
 
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