Do you check ID's of students?

[mycrofft]

I'll give you two instances and a hypothetical.

FACT: I have caught people "standing in" for other people in CPR/AED/1st aid classes, to get certification to work as a licensed home care provider. That means the person with the certificate/license does not have training.

FACT: People have been caught and schools are under investigation for doing the same for the SAT exams.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=8441019

HYPOTHETICAL: Person representing themselves as someone else registers for your class, shows up, takes it for pay in someone else's name. The person hiring the sub could be someone who has failed, or has language difficulties; the sub could be an out of work EMT or paramedic who has found a lucrative sideline.(actually, any bright person, or a nursing student, etc). IS there a continuous line of identification?

Potential lapses I have hear about over the years:
1. At no point is the student positively identified. This was the case at the Red Cross, and they had no plan regarding this once unearthed.
2. The student is identified when they sign up, but not when they appear for class, just scribble their signature.
3. "Positive ID" at time of sign-up is a driver's license consisting of the absentee student's driver's license with the stand-in's picture laminated onto it and just flashed in the wallet when/if asked during initial registration. I've seen this done in line at Safeway to buy liquor, fer crissakes. The absent student has reported the license lost and gotten a new one; if there is an issue with the fake, the carrier either burns it or tosses it into a dumpster. Usually there is no issue because, when questioned, the applicant/stand-in just throws a fit to get in, then acts nice and quiet the rest of the time.

If/when I go back to teaching outside the workplace (where co-workers and the boss can spot a piker), I am checking ID's on sign-in, or better yet, before I hand them the card and send their name in for the certificate.

Any thoughts? Experiences with stand ins?

 

[JPINFV]

 

[mycrofft]

Are you saying you need help...or Boone's Farm?

:rofl:

 

[Medic Tim]

there was a case in the uk not long ago where a fake student rode with the crews for a few weeks. the person just showed up with a uniform and a forged letter saying they were in a medic program.

 

[DrParasite]

FACT: I have caught people "standing in" for other people in CPR/AED/1st aid classes, to get certification to work as a licensed home care provider. That means the person with the certificate/license does not have training.

no, but in all honesty, I have never checked because it never occurred to me that this would happen.

I might check this next class I teach.

 

[shfd739]

there was a case in the uk not long ago where a fake student rode with the crews for a few weeks. the person just showed up with a uniform and a forged letter saying they were in a medic program.

I know of an instance in the US of something similar. In the case I know of the student had been dismissed from a paramedic program but the agency wasn't aware and the person did 3rd rides and ALS procedures.




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[Veneficus]

the only place I teach AHA classes is a major hospital and the people have to sign up for class with their employee log in, then when they show up they must present their hospital badge with employee ID number, photo, and name.

We also list the name of their dept. supervisor on the roster and ask them who their supervisor is.

If they don't bring their badge, not only do they not get to come to class, they don't get paid for being there as they cannot swipe into the system.

 

[rwik123]

Legally, can you check or demand to see ID? I'm not against checking at all, just curious.

 

[JPINFV]

Why wouldn't you be able to legally check IDs? The only situation, at least in California, where checking ID is illegal is as a requirment for a duly regisitered voter to vote (provisional ballots, at least 15 or so years ago when I did work one time as a poll worker, required an ID check). It's -legal- to check ID for credit cards, but it's normally against the merchant agreement signed with the credit card company.

 

[medic417]

We make a copy of photo id and social security card.

 

[mycrofft]

Legally checking an ID

They can refuse to produce it, and you can't spin them face down onto the table and frisk them for it. However, since the class was sold or enrolled to "Joe Smith", and this "Joe Smith" might or might not be the right one but won't cooperate, you can declare him PNG and trespassing, at which point either of you can call the cops but he's going to leave either way. An extension of the "We reserve the right to refuse service to anybody" deal.
Generally a phony will try to intimidate you, then suddenly fold and stalk off, maybe pretend to call someone. If they are for-real and just a nutcase, refund their money.
Xerox of ID is nice as long as it was examined by someone with the smarts to recognize a phony and not going to sign them in anyway as a favor or for a twenty. Heck, the xerox could be doctored easier than the ID could and would pass unless you check at your sign-in.

 

[Tigger]

If you are not a college employee or student, you must show ID when signing the class roster. All EMT-B students, regardless of affiliation must bring an ID to the first day of class.

 

[jedi88]

It is really sad to think that people would do something like that for a one day CPR class. It isn't exactly rocket science or the SAT's either. When I did my EMT clinicals it was scary how the hospitals didn't seem to know we were coming when they were notified and let us start seeing patients without any real proof of identity. Granted we were just doing vitals but still.

 

[nwhitney]

Not too long ago there were a couple of people trying to do that for the state exam, they got caught. For the state exam all candidates must have photo ID either a drivers license, passport or some form of government issued photo ID. At each station they must provide ID and the evaluators are pretty good at examining though not all do.

At the school I work for all the EMT students must wear school ID while in uniform which includes class times, ambulance rotations & ED visits.

I feel like we do a pretty good job of keeping things legit.