Did I do everything I could have/did I do anything wrong?

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ClarkKent

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I highly doubt he wished to have an SUV fall on him and am curious to what your point is. Incidentally, I feel that including this example is in rather poor taste, but oh well.

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How does correlate with the topic at hand??
 

bstone

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How does correlate with the topic at hand??

The 5+ pages about people failing to take appropriate caution, being labeled with a name I don't wish to even type.
 

JPINFV

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The 5+ pages about people failing to take appropriate caution, being labeled with a name I don't wish to even type.


1. We don't know whether he did or not take appropriate caution when performing an oil change.

2. "Idiot" isn't even one of the 7 words you can't say on TV (...and I agree, tits does sound like a snack [/Carlin]).
 

bstone

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1. We don't know whether he did or not take appropriate caution when performing an oil change.

2. "Idiot" isn't even one of the 7 words you can't say on TV (...and I agree, tits does sound like a snack [/Carlin]).

1. I agree

2. That's nice.
 

ClarkKent

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The 5+ pages about people failing to take appropriate caution, being labeled with a name I don't wish to even type.

Even if he used a 3 ton jack with two jack stands, they could have all failed. If that was the case would he still be called this unsaid name you don't want to use? So a layperson changing the oil on their own vehicle is this unsaid name??
 

bstone

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Even if he used a 3 ton jack with two jack stands, they could have all failed. If that was the case would he still be called this unsaid name you don't want to use? So a layperson changing the oil on their own vehicle is this unsaid name??

I appreciate your response. It is interesting to read.
 

ffemt8978

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Back on topic, please.

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bstone

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I think we've discussed this to death. Goodnight, all! Thanks for the lively discussion. :)
 

ClarkKent

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I appreciate your response. It is interesting to read.

I am glad you appreciate my response, but you are side stepping my question I asked to you!
 

firetender

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Do ya think...

..that if we actually HAD a Code of Ethics that included a commitment to not turn our backs we'd actually BE a profession as opposed to being a bunch of Tourists?

"Not turning our backs" is the key phrase. I hear so many excuses citing circumstances that would absolutely prevent taking any action whatsoever (most in the category of "What if?") I could vomit!

These kinds of arbitrary boundaries do not speak to the moment. Every situation has a uniques set of circumstances that, trained as a medic, wouldn't it make sense to at least LOOK at them?

I hear many refusals to look under certain pre-defined circumstances . This is NEVER a reality in the moments you're presented with. You're trained to speak to the moment, are you not?

If you're not WILLING to speak to the moment why the hell are you (in general) in the biz?

The moment happens in uniform or out; it doesn't care about what you're wearing when it pounces on you. You've earned the GIFT of being able to do something, to make a difference in others' lives -- equipped or NOT -- and I don't care what you say, with that comes responsibility.

How about, "I'll do what I can under the best judgment I have based on the circumstances I find myself."
Now, please, argue over if that is a moral or ethical statement. and what page is it written or implied. I can't wait!
 
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Tigger

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Its highly relevant to the topic of people not using appropriate caution.

I was looking at the seatbelt discussion in a different way. I don't care if people don't wear their seatbelt if they are alone. They are idiots for not doing so, but I am much more concerned with say, my moron partner who does wear his. I (and my family) am going to be royally pissed if his unsecured fat *** injures me during a collision.

I look at the case of jack stands to be different. If the car falls off the jackstands, the person injured is going to be the person underneath. Their negligence does not affect me nor anyone else physically, unless I too am under the car. And that is not happening without a secondary method of stabilization.

To tie this back into the original discussion, stopping at an accident an unsafe way is closer to the non-seatbelted partner than jack stands. If I place my vehicle in such a way as to protect me, I very well may have altered the flow of traffic and put many other drivers at risk (and yes I have seen some moron place his SUV in the lane of traffic with his dinky little dashlight on to "protect" and accident scene). Furthermore, if I were to be struck while stopping to assist in my POV, my lack of appropriate caution has now made situation worse for the original victim as the incoming unit now has two patients instead of just one.
 

dixie_flatline

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This thread has degenerated even further than the last time I poked my head in here, but I haven't seen this mentioned yet - someone a few pages ago asked something along the lines of "so am I not an EMT while off-duty?" To which I would direct them a few pages earlier still - wherein we rehashed that No, I'm not an EMT, legally-speaking, unless I am on-duty (acting under the authority of my medical director). If I don't have the legal ability to act as an EMT while off-duty, how in FSM's name could anyone construct an argument wherein I'm still legally, ethically, or otherwise required to render aid?

To me, that right there ends any argument about an over-arching code of ethics (and again, we never took any type of oath or pledge, or were tested on a code). A doctor, on the other hand, has taken an oath, and is licensed by the state to practice medicine.

Do I have a personal code of ethics/morality that I tend to adhere to in everyday life? Yes. Would I stop at the scene of a bad accident if it seemed safe? Probably if no one else was there. Do I expect everyone else to have the same reaction or set of ethics? No. So stop trying to project values on to others, yeah? Brilliant.
 

JPINFV

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A doctor, on the other hand, has taken an oath, and is licensed by the state to practice medicine.

However even that is open to interpretation. After all, how does "first, do no harm" work with abortions or end of life issues, especially when dealing with removing life support?
 

dixie_flatline

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Just saw this on reddit. This is what I imagine happens every time I see a fender bender and consider stopping.

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Thank god this happened in broad day light, or they probably wouldn't have had enough time to notice it was out of control.
 

exodus

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It's the EMT moral code. If you don't wish to abide by it then you ought to stop being an EMT. BTW, it's the AAOS that wrote it. Shall I provide a page number for you?

Don't they say that you may have a moral obligation to stop but to take into consideration all of the risks that will be incurred by stopping? You don't have an ethical obligation to stop if you're off duty. (Or in an unmarked POV)

Edit: I also took no code or pledged to it. There is an example in aforementioned book, but you're not bound to it by reading it....
 
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exodus

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I agree wit Sasha on this one. The Good Samaritan Laws will only cover you so far.

The Good Samaritan Laws
"designed to provide limited legal protection for citizens(which you are one off-duty) and some health care personal when they are administering emergency care.

Page 56 Emergency Care by barndy​
Continuing on what you said from another book:

Nancy Caroline Emergency Care in the streets (c4p9)

"The laws of most states limit the legal protection provided: the emergency care must be given free of charge. An EMT / Medic providing emergency care while on duty."

"Most Good Samaritan laws also require that persons responding to an emergency do all that they can, within their knowledge, to support and sustain life and to prevent further injury."
 

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Adnauseum

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