This has frustrated me for many years now and I want to hear other people's opinion on it. The American Heart Association is probably one of the most recognized cpr certification programs. They make CPR WAY TO COMPLICATED. I just went to refresh today and they changed about 10 different things and just threw them out there in 30 seconds. Yes it is easy for anyone in the EMS field to say that CPR is a breeze but what about the public? I have seen proof of many people with no medical background coming out from the CPR class and saying there was way to much information in the videos and they barley have an idea of what to do. To the point where they don't know if it is 30;2 or 15;2. It could just be me but it frustrates me to see how confusing the American Heart Association makes CPR for the public to learn and just wish someone would come out with a program that simplifies it for the public. Which is better having someone totally confused or having someone know how to give 2 breaths and thump 30 times until EMS arrives? The best is the now added scene safety in their videos. The public needs to know how to keep someone alive for 7 minutes not how to become an EMT! If you disagree/agree with me write your feelings back I want to hear!
CPR to complicated for the public?
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Doesn't seem too bad when Vinnie's telling me...
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Isn't AHA now teaching hands only CPR for anyone not breathing? How much similar than that can you get.
Just to be sure, we are talking about Heartsaver CPR and not BLS for the Health Care Provider, right?
Just to be sure, we are talking about Heartsaver CPR and not BLS for the Health Care Provider, right?
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CPR is stupid easy. How is it complicated? Everything is 30:2 except for 2 rescuers with kids which is 15:2.
They teach 15 year old lifeguards CPR.
When I was a lifeguard supervisor the youngest of my employees (15 year olds) could do it just fine. We are talking about freshman in high school....
It's not that difficult, especially with the hands-only CPR campaign they are running, they don't even push rescue breaths anymore or even a pulse check.
Scene safety damn well better be in the video otherwise when EMS shows up they very well could have 2 arrests to work rather than just one.
They teach 15 year old lifeguards CPR.
When I was a lifeguard supervisor the youngest of my employees (15 year olds) could do it just fine. We are talking about freshman in high school....
It's not that difficult, especially with the hands-only CPR campaign they are running, they don't even push rescue breaths anymore or even a pulse check.
Scene safety damn well better be in the video otherwise when EMS shows up they very well could have 2 arrests to work rather than just one.
If I went and asked someone out of the class (with no medical background) I can guarantee they did not fully understand half of the information. Just the refresher I took today was An hour and 30 minutes of movies. The public should be able to be taught cpr in under 10 minutes not an hour and 30. I don't think many are understanding my point here.
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I'm not understanding how you think CPR classes are overly complicated.
They aren't that difficult to comprehend.
Also, I can guarantee that the doctors at AHA who designed the course are smarter than you, no offense.
Survival rates are going up not down. The classes are obviously working.
edit: care to fill us in on your level of education?
They aren't that difficult to comprehend.
Also, I can guarantee that the doctors at AHA who designed the course are smarter than you, no offense.
Survival rates are going up not down. The classes are obviously working.
edit: care to fill us in on your level of education?
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Of course part of the problem is people. Think of how dumb the average person is. Now realize that half of the people out there are dumber than that.
...and I don't care if they understand half of the information. I care if they can check for breathing, find 2 fingers from the bottom of the sternum (or is it between the nipples now) and push hard and fast. Also that they can remember the number for 911.
...and I don't care if they understand half of the information. I care if they can check for breathing, find 2 fingers from the bottom of the sternum (or is it between the nipples now) and push hard and fast. Also that they can remember the number for 911.
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They really simplified it with the 2010 guidelines, especially for non-healthcare providers.
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There are not 100 steps. It's a very simple process.
I really wish I could have done a study on this in school. I feel as if you teach to the standards that will be about an 1 to an hour and a half class or you teach very basic cpr in 10 minutes and 3 months later test them without them knowing it was coming and see who has a better understanding. In my opinion the less interrupted cpr the better. Fast non stop compressions to me will be the cpr in the next couple of years.
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CPR isn't difficult. I'll site my 15 year old lifeguards again.
CPR isn't difficult. I'll site my 15 year old lifeguards again.
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someone didn't pay attention in their refresher class.
But what do I know, I'm just a little guy
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The standards for CPR keep changing because we find out what truly works better for CPR. So the best thing is to get the newest information out to the public so they can start using it.
As for nowadays it's pretty simple:
1: make sure you don't get killed/hurt
2: make sure s/he isn't breathing and doesn't have a pulse
3: push hard and fast in the middle of the chest 1-2 inches
4: have someone call 911.
I've had CPR training since I was extremely young (cub scouts so I was probably like 8 or somewhere around there).
Let's face it our citizens aren't really becoming smart (saying in general). So something that could be easily taught in 30mins has to be extended so everyone can better understand what to do.
As for nowadays it's pretty simple:
1: make sure you don't get killed/hurt
2: make sure s/he isn't breathing and doesn't have a pulse
3: push hard and fast in the middle of the chest 1-2 inches
4: have someone call 911.
I've had CPR training since I was extremely young (cub scouts so I was probably like 8 or somewhere around there).
Let's face it our citizens aren't really becoming smart (saying in general). So something that could be easily taught in 30mins has to be extended so everyone can better understand what to do.
Well in the end someone listening to an AED step by step is going to be more progressive then someone trying to remember the order of how to do cpr in their class. This has nothing to do with me. Im talking about someone with no medical training seeing someone go down. All it takes is a couple reading of articles and staying in the news to understand that re search is finding that un interrupted fast compressions is more effective them stopping and giving two breaths and going through the check list. I didn't make this thread to make yourself feel smart and experienced. Again I'm talking about people in the public not some super EMT like you that wants to make it known that you are a Super EMT or whatever you are.