Since most businesses and many health care professions expect or require no less than a 4 year degree, the Associates in not very much.
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Since most businesses and many health care professions expect or require no less than a 4 year degree, the Associates in not very much.
Since the national unemployment rate for September was under 10% (meaning a good majority of Americans still have jobs) yet only around 28% of Americans hold a Bachelors or higher I'm going to go ahead and say your wrong. Most businesses do not in fact require Bachelors or higher.
http://www.bls.gov/cps/
http://factfinder.census.gov/servle...EST_G00_R1402_US30&-format=US-30&-CONTEXT=grt
http://factfinder.census.gov/servle...name=ACS_2008_1YR_G00_R1502_US30&-CONTEXT=grt
Sigh...
I think I've figured out the problem.
I'm writing in fairly plain English and some people apparently have problems comprehending it.
Some quotes:"Thus, this should should meet the requriements for just a mere Associates degree which should be the minimum for a Paramedic." uttered by "ventmedic"
Now leaving aside the atrocious grammar and the poor spelling, this directly contradicts what this very same person writes in this comment:
"I got my degree in EMS 30 years ago and at that time all of those prerequisites listed earlier were part of the program. I later applied those prerequisites toward my RT degree. I still had almost a full two years of college. Thus, it wouldn't have mattered which degree I got first. The prerequisites were the same and both the Paramedic and RT were A.S. degrees."
In one comment she says that thegreypilgrim's suggestion is the minimum required, and in another she states that it took almost 2 additional years to obtain her own Associates degree(s) only AFTER completing similiar pre-requisites. All I stated was that the suggestions made by thegreypilgrim were simply too much to fit into a standard 2 year Associates Degree program,by the way, I stand by those words. I also asked her, ventmedic that is, to compare the required classes for a Respiratory Therapy degree with those suggested by thegreypilgrim. Hint, the ones suggested by thegreypilgrim would take a lot more time to complete than a standard RT program would. ventmedic apparently both agrees with me on that while also claiming that the opposite is also true. So which is it?
As for who needs an education, unlike ventmedic I don't post the contents of private messages but I'll simply say this, I didn't send her any messages suggesting that she needed an education, I merely replied to her incessant messages to me.
As for my comments about a "mere" associates degree. Unlike some people I don't look down on or make derogatory comments about ones level of academic achievement. Being someone who didn't complete his college education at what most would consider the "normal" time, I have a deep sympathy for those who attend school in an attempt to achieve things like "mere" associates degrees. I started attending classes in Respiratory Therapy at the age of 46, still haven't finished but I will and when I do so, I hope to take that "mere" degree and use it much like some of those here are doing now.
John E
I think I've figured out the problem.
I'm writing in fairly plain English and some people apparently have problems comprehending it.
Some quotes:"Thus, this should should meet the requriements for just a mere Associates degree which should be the minimum for a Paramedic." uttered by "ventmedic"
Now leaving aside the atrocious grammar and the poor spelling, this directly contradicts what this very same person writes in this comment:
"I got my degree in EMS 30 years ago and at that time all of those prerequisites listed earlier were part of the program. I later applied those prerequisites toward my RT degree. I still had almost a full two years of college. Thus, it wouldn't have mattered which degree I got first. The prerequisites were the same and both the Paramedic and RT were A.S. degrees."
In one comment she says that thegreypilgrim's suggestion is the minimum required, and in another she states that it took almost 2 additional years to obtain her own Associates degree(s) only AFTER completing similiar pre-requisites. All I stated was that the suggestions made by thegreypilgrim were simply too much to fit into a standard 2 year Associates Degree program,by the way, I stand by those words. I also asked her, ventmedic that is, to compare the required classes for a Respiratory Therapy degree with those suggested by thegreypilgrim. Hint, the ones suggested by thegreypilgrim would take a lot more time to complete than a standard RT program would. ventmedic apparently both agrees with me on that while also claiming that the opposite is also true. So which is it?
As for who needs an education, unlike ventmedic I don't post the contents of private messages but I'll simply say this, I didn't send her any messages suggesting that she needed an education, I merely replied to her incessant messages to me.
As for my comments about a "mere" associates degree. Unlike some people I don't look down on or make derogatory comments about ones level of academic achievement. Being someone who didn't complete his college education at what most would consider the "normal" time, I have a deep sympathy for those who attend school in an attempt to achieve things like "mere" associates degrees. I started attending classes in Respiratory Therapy at the age of 46, still haven't finished but I will and when I do so, I hope to take that "mere" degree and use it much like some of those here are doing now.
John E
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thegreypilgrim
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John E
Dude, you're being incredibly pedantic. What is it you want out of this discussion? Are you one of those people that have an insatiable need to "win" the conversation? I mean holy hell we were just talking about our opinions on what we think would be nice to change about paramedic programs.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to join the ranks of other allied health professionals and have the same sort of educational standards they have? Like, in a uniform sense and not the haphazard manner we currently have where you have some medic programs that are really thorough & others that are kind of shoddy?
Ok, so what I listed might not be able to be done in 2 years. So what? I just made that up on the spot, man. Sorry it's not in professional presentation form, but I thought this was a discussion board. If it takes 3-4 years so be it, let's not act as though the fate of the free world depended on it. Do yourself a favor and, like, go look at some landscape paintings or something before you rupture an aneurysm.
Dude, you're being incredibly pedantic. What is it you want out of this discussion? Are you one of those people that have an insatiable need to "win" the conversation? I mean holy hell we were just talking about our opinions on what we think would be nice to change about paramedic programs.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to join the ranks of other allied health professionals and have the same sort of educational standards they have? Like, in a uniform sense and not the haphazard manner we currently have where you have some medic programs that are really thorough & others that are kind of shoddy?
Ok, so what I listed might not be able to be done in 2 years. So what? I just made that up on the spot, man. Sorry it's not in professional presentation form, but I thought this was a discussion board. If it takes 3-4 years so be it, let's not act as though the fate of the free world depended on it. Do yourself a favor and, like, go look at some landscape paintings or something before you rupture an aneurysm.
Slander? I'm shocked that you would think that. All I did was point out that you gave out inaccurate info. Let's take a look at what you said:
So here you are saying that if you don't go to school in Oregon you'll end up going to a 3-month tech school. Given that there are many, many different schools out there that have programs of various lengths, that makes your comment...false. Shocking, I know. Posting a link to a single school is supposed to prove...what? That there is a school with that short of a program? Yes, it shows that. And that's all it shows. Once again, you made a statement that was wrong. Get over it. I am curious though...since you didn't go to school in Oregon, by your reasoning, wouldn't that mean you went to a 3-month school?
Anyway, back on track.
Chemistry and Biology (lower level)
A&P (full year)
psychology
sociology
Algebra
Medical Terminology
Pharmacology
Technical writing (or some type of class that teaches people how to write a PHCR)
Introduction to EMS
Crisis Intervention and Management (or whatever you want to call it)
General Health and Nutrition
enough electives to round out the degree
And of course the paramedic course itself. Plus (I'll see greypilgrims 600 hours and go one better) a 1 year internship on an ambulance. Say 3 years total.
Interesting that...
I wrote that I liked your list, agreed with your ideas and this is your response.
What you call pedantic I call not being misquoted or accused of saying and writing things that I didn't say or write.
For the record, I liked your list, I agreed with your conclusions and I was trying to see how a program like what you wrote about could be fit into a traditional degree system. I also didn't claim that the fate of the world depended on it. Not trying to win anything, perhaps you should actually read what I wrote before you decide who's being pedantic here.
As you said, it's a discussion, I was discussing and again, agreeing with your take on things until another person attempted to put words into my mouth and make inaccurate claims about what I said.
Let me say it one more time, I liked your list, I agree with the ideas you posted, well except for that part where you insulted me I suppose. I have nothing against making EMS education more closely resemble the education that others in the medical field receive.
I'm sorry that agreeing with you while taking issue with inaccurate information posted by others bothers you so much.
John E
I wrote that I liked your list, agreed with your ideas and this is your response.
What you call pedantic I call not being misquoted or accused of saying and writing things that I didn't say or write.
For the record, I liked your list, I agreed with your conclusions and I was trying to see how a program like what you wrote about could be fit into a traditional degree system. I also didn't claim that the fate of the world depended on it. Not trying to win anything, perhaps you should actually read what I wrote before you decide who's being pedantic here.
As you said, it's a discussion, I was discussing and again, agreeing with your take on things until another person attempted to put words into my mouth and make inaccurate claims about what I said.
Let me say it one more time, I liked your list, I agree with the ideas you posted, well except for that part where you insulted me I suppose. I have nothing against making EMS education more closely resemble the education that others in the medical field receive.
I'm sorry that agreeing with you while taking issue with inaccurate information posted by others bothers you so much.
John E
Pretty much agree with this. Only thing I would nix is the physics. While it may seem useful I assure you its not. I knew it solid for my MCAT, and outside of being interested in the mechanics behind some of the rad techniques it has been useless.
thegreypilgrim
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Alright, apparently there's some history of bad blood here that I'm simply not aware of being rather new to this board, nor am I really interested in the history of this feud. However, I seem to have misinterpreted your initial reply to me here:
For some reason, I read that as jumping on my saying this should be done in 2 years in order to shoot the whole idea down as unrealistic. Then you also had comments about my post mixed in with your issues with VentMedic. In short, I screwed up. My mistake.
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I think to be an EMT Paramedic one should have at least a bachelors degree. Here in Canada we have at least 2 paramedic programs leading to a bachelor's degree. They are at Medicine Hat College, and the University of Toronto at Scarborough.
Don't know how this would work. I mean kinetics are related in a round about sort of way when you get into MOI and such, but in reality the actual calculation of forces would be completely unnecessary. Physics has a big role in Radiology (but even here its a narrow spectrum of physics including magnetism and nuclear physics) but again, of little value to prehospital provider.
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Can't we all just get along?
If we can keep this on track - I like the ideas behind the thread - lets leave the personal attacks out of this, OK?
Group hug?
Or not. Still. Let's just all be nice, OK?
Jon
If we can keep this on track - I like the ideas behind the thread - lets leave the personal attacks out of this, OK?
Group hug?
Or not. Still. Let's just all be nice, OK?
Jon
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By my calculation, your proposal requires 48 credit hours approximately of pre-requisites. That's three semesters of work. Plus another four semesters of a medic program?
You might as well tack on a few more gen ed credits and make it a bachelor's degree. You're already at three and a half years.
You might as well tack on a few more gen ed credits and make it a bachelor's degree. You're already at three and a half years.
Summit
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By my calculation, your proposal requires 48 credit hours approximately of pre-requisites. That's three semesters of work. Plus another four semesters of a medic program?
You might as well tack on a few more gen ed credits and make it a bachelor's degree. You're already at three and a half years.
Actually, if you sued my AS-BLS program, then you would have a perfect forerunner program to combine with his above program to make a BS-Paramedicine.
The 72 hour AS degree for Prehospital BLS (Posted in 2005)
Summit said:
For the record, in the intervening years, I have taken *EVERY* class on that list and more. Makes me a much better EMT...
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For a job that pays 12-15 dollars an hour at best? An associates with pre-reqs equal to Bio, A/P, Med Term, Comp and Pharm prior to entering the EMT phase is plenty while still making a much better Medic in the end.
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And no, the title on the patch isn't as important as the education in my head, tyvm.
Good man!
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medichopeful
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Does it really matter who takes what?, and how many units this and that are?, I am mean really for $12.00 per hour who cares. All the units in the world are not going to pay my mortgage. The truth is we all go were the money is and if some of us can't get there and you know who you are, we like to whine about how much more education there should be when really how much can we do in the field anyways.^_^ I jus have to make enough to keep my wife from meeting my g/f.
Sorry, stuck here with my family right now... if I could move I would be up in Portland going to OHSU.
And no, the title on the patch isn't as important as the education in my head, tyvm.
"Stuck" with family??? :sad: Awww, ya only have one family. Enjoy this brief time as it will be the past soon enough.
Besides, with the exception of the ulumni reunion committee, no one really gives a hoot where anybody went to school 